The Tasar v the Icon

Although will Devoti still be building Icons when the mystical new builder gets announced?

Still struggling to understand the marketing approach

Marke - And I don't understand your subject change now either.  You presented the case of a single Icon as indicative of what precisely ?   And if not of anything relevent what was your purpose ? You must have known it had the potential to mislead with a sample size of ONE yet where was any real the statistical 'health warning' ?   If you crunch numbers professionally then I would suggest you very well understood what you were doing.  In other words do you still think it was a balanced point that you made ?

But moving on ... as we must.  You ask about 'marketing' now - what on earth has that got to do with your presentation of partially processed numbers as fact ?    Or are you now implying that Icon owners and others interested commercially in the boat simply don't pose awkward questions in case it damages sales ?   Well we have no problem with anyone suggesting that Icon is pretty fast and in fact it does raise profile .....  However if you think we are going to 'knuckle down' and not raise legitimate concerns then you are likely to be proved wrong. 

Other 'new' classes will soon be subject to the same process and are likely to be far far more vocal on the subject !   All they and we want is fair handicap numbers that reflects average performance in average boats with average crews...  Good ....Yes or No ? 

Now why not simply borrow an Icon yourself - risk reputation as we do constantly and  'have a go' yourself  !  What you go to lose ?  I'm sure the rather able Icon helm Paul Bartlett (for it is he at Starcross) will help out if you are local and if he cannot we or the CA will.   None of us bite and who knows you might even like it.

Mike L.

 

      




Edited by blaze720 - 29 Jul 14 at 7:32pm

Originally posted by marke Still struggling to understand the marketing approach.

I like Mike's marketing approach which says to me  "try the boat, you might like it".   And he appears to be generous with his time and use of boats.

I think he is of the "under sell and over deliver" school of selling.   No bad thing in my book.

Originally posted by iGRF Sailing should be inclusive, it shouldn't matter back or front of the fleet, everyone should be welcome.

It is and they are.  Some clubs are very good at welcoming new members.   The average club racing boat is beer money.   You don't even have to own a boat to sail and join in.    Quite what this has to do with the Icon handicap, I'm not sure.

Mike

I am well aware of statistics - basically make my living doing some quite complex statistical algorithms.

At no point did I say the Starcross icon should be the reference point for the national class EN.  I simply said that at Starcross sailing against equally good sailors from other classes and applying a crew skill factor adjustment tried and tested over ten years that 969 doesn't look to be wildly out of whack.  It was a response from the lack of data from anywhere else - apart from the odd anecdotal evidence.  Tom has just given another data point so make sure that gets in to the PYS to balance ours.

Still struggling to understand the marketing approach.