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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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As Commodore of the Hythe and Saltwood Sailing Club, I'm hereby telling you your EN's are no use, not only are they no use, they show you and your system up in extremely bad light, to quote one of our members, "what idiot dreamt that number up". Do you delight in looking foolish? As well as bringing the entire system into disrepute? Edited by iGRF - 28 Jul 14 at 10:04pm |
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Bootscooter ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1094 |
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I'd disagree with Grumph on this... I've only got personal experience of the ENs for the Alto and now the D-One, so whilst not extensive I think the Alto is a great example of what happens.
When the boy and I started racing the boat we were racing off 925 (CA recommended) and were finishing where we expected to in club racing. At the Medway Regatta we sailed of 915 and the Altos took the top 4 places (albeit in favourable conditions for the design). Come the SailJuice series we had to sail off 910, and again we ended up where we could reasonably expected to be-ish, and then the RYA issued an EN of 912. So what does it all mean? Obviously, it means that with time in the boat and experience we got faster - well who wouldn't? The way that the number has come down meant we never had to go through the embarrassment (and dirty looks) of the handicap bandit level too much, and I dare say that at this year's SailFest I'll be close in the results (in my D-One) to the Alto we were dicing with in 2013 (when we both kept them upright). The system ain't perfect, but it's not bad either, and this is why you can't step in to an Icon for the 1st time and expect to win straight off, no matter how good you are in your usual boat. Edited by Bootscooter - 28 Jul 14 at 10:43pm |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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If the number, based on someone who has only just learned to tack, is coming out nearer 1000, it would suggest that the EN is pretty close, and will just be brought down a bit when more muppets start sailing the boat.
Chris, thank you for posting again, it is nice to get some actual real facts about the system. |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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I think it's fair to say most of us would disagree with iGRF. |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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EN's ! |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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In Medway bless them they sail a river, aligned perfectly with reaching angles of a South Westery Wind. You come and try sailing it against Merlins & Contenders on Open Water, or RS 500's for that matter or bless him the bandit of all bandits Medway Maniacs V3000 at 1007. |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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[drum roll please] shock horror, stop the press... folks in boats suitable for their location do well... [/drum roll]
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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We know exactly why you don't come up to Medway and race against other Altos, Grumph. It'd be tricky explaining why it was favourable for the others and not for you.
p.s. SW wind? Can't remember one of those this year.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Presumably the same reason you lot don't come down to Hythe then..
NE is just the other tack. And I'll save myself the whining I'd get, " oh he only beat us cos he's got a bigger sail and his kite doesn't jam cos he's got that metal chute and he can wing his wang further than us.." Edited by iGRF - 29 Jul 14 at 12:37pm |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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I think you've said enough about launching and recovering at Hythe to put us off without any additional fear of The Great Grumph . Your italics: all the more reason to come up here and check the differences.
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