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    Posted: 24 Jul 14 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Its a bit like suggesting the boat shouldn't have had a kicker to keep it more simple. It adds 1 cleat, one pole, some string and elastic. And gives the crew something MORE to do, and makes the front sail work better.

precisely, and that is either good or bad depending on your personal circumstances... 
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There were things that I didn't like - transom sheeting being one, add that to the 'off the boom' set up (which is fine if you're young enough to wear a logo'd up rash vest but otherwise is a no-no) and for older folks, a thwart might be kinder to already ruined knees and hips. 

As the designer/CA are eminently sensible you can add all that you said was missing. Sheet it with a fixed line from the kicker attachment if you want and install a couple of chippendale chairs or a lazEboy if thats your thing, or any form of regular sheeting and a thwart...


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You can change the sheeting arrangement. The Demo boat i sailed has a block on the floor so you can take the sheet from there if you wish. I found the off the boom arrangement very easy to use (despite having never sheeted off the boom prior to jumping in the boat).
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Originally posted by jeffers

despite having never sheeted off the boom prior to jumping in the boat

Surely downwind in your Laser?  Or is that technique now considered "so 90's"?
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by jeffers

despite having never sheeted off the boom prior to jumping in the boat

Surely downwind in your Laser?  Or is that technique now considered "so 90's"?

Only on a really deep reach or a run, hardly sheeting off the boom as adjustments were minimal....
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Oh how silly of me to forget - this isn't the place for rational debate. (I remember all too well when I did the test sails for the Halo V RS100 and got slated for being objective about the relative merits of the boats - plus the D-One that I'd been away sailing with Devoti out in Italy).

BUT - I don't recall saying that anything was missing; I merely said that there were things that I didn't like. Now having said that there was 110 years plus in the boat, that might suggest to the mildly less ignorant that those sailing the boat today have many years actually sailing (rather than just being famed as a 'posting king' ) and indeed, this is the case. So, I'll admit to a long standing preference for a centre main sheet and jammer. But I do know that the thwart is an option (will try that too) as is pretty much any sheeting system you like.

My objective view was that the thinking behind the boat is well worthy of that 'niche' it could (and should) occupy - and the presentation of the boat first class.

But Hobbiteater, you probably have the advantage over me of having already extensively sailed the boat in a wide range of conditions so until I have enjoyed that pleasure, I'll defer to your wiser knowledge!!!!!!!

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We, hold on. You said you didn't like something, I tried to point out in a way found humorous that the icon was open enough to allow lots of non performance enhancing mods. No offence ment.
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Originally posted by hobbiteater

and i would suggest they had some issues in race 3, given the elapsed time

Ah yes, not one of our better races!  Rubbish start, then having caught the  fleet up got becalmed 10m from the windward mark.  At this point I can confirm that a becalmed Icon is no faster than a becalmed Albacore!  30mins later & after the tide had pushed us 100m from the mark we continued in a lot less wind than those who'd made it round the mark!

Monday's race was brilliant. Long legs in a variety of directions, and whilst the 2 lead Merlins disappeared over the horizon, we had a great race with 2 others. Upwind we were pretty comparable,  when the Merlins could  fly their kites they were quicker, but if they couldn't off the wind we flew past.  After 2 hours the 2 Merlins finished 15 sec apart with us in between them.  We were some way ahead of the Tasar, but they got us on corrected time.

Unfortunately there's been no wind in the afternoon since then :-(

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Mike,

I think Miles and I probably had the best of the whole day during our sail this morning - the wind died just as we were heading in. I hope my very limited report on here did the Icon justice, for I felt it worth saying that for me it did the simple things - which are, at the same time the important things, with the minimum of fuss and bother and without all that angst about needing a different design/rig (or, let's face it, a different class) to accommodate the weight. Hate to say it but as I'm staying here with some locals, they are not expecting anything more for the morrow!

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Dougal

Glad you got a go and enjoyed it.  The sheeting as some have said already is 'open' choice in the class(We allow ANY sheeting arrangement on the main - why ?  because there seems little reason to restrict personal preferences that do not fundamentally change the pace of the boat - and 'they' wanted it 'open' - 'they' being the totally unstructured sample of testers we used !).

The option for a thwart is treated in a similar manner.  If the crews union want one - it is available.  It won't make you signicantly faster or slower but if it 'suits' you then why would we ban them ? One boat is already fitted with one and the new builder will offer them as a standard option from day one.

And you really must have a go in say 15kn some time ......  lets talk soon or have a chat with Mike / Charlotte if you are still there.

Mike L.

PS - But we are still waiting for feedback from GRF of course  - perhaps the true 'acid' test is to come ? LOL


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