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    Posted: 22 Jul 14 at 6:23pm
Thwarts and cleats .....

There will be another licenced Icon builder announced very shortly (Full release info in August) .... they are keeping to the core Icon script  (very important of course) but want to put their own 'mark' on the boat in a number of ways and are already working on a new deck plug and tooling.

They believe the changes they have identified are important and their requests / suggestions are now fully agreed.    As part of this review process we have fully briefed them about the thwart option(s) .... It will not be fitted as standard as now but it will be offered with their Icon from Day One.

Jib cleating ?  Well the central spine is being modified anyway for other reasons and we/they are taking the opportunity to tailor- in a pair of 'open' jib sheet cleats in the optimal position.   I will fit a pair on my next Icon  ... but I suspect 'Andy' (Dancing farmer) will scoff and think we've gone 'southern softie' (Yes - we have on this one and in a couple of other areas - bet you use them occasionally ...if only between races eh Wink  ....) 

Several exisiting Icons have been adapted to carry jib cleats anyway so despite Andy's anticipated scoffing there is demand for them .... the retrofitted ones work but 'built-in' will not only look more elegent they should work better as well.

Mike L.

BTW - You can have ANY sheeting system you like on the main - it is intentionally not a tightly controlled part of the Icon rules.  Some love 'off the boom' (I do myself) but we do accept that others want something more traditonal or familiar ....  


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A few years ago when we where trying harder with our Tasar I always thought that RTC racing on a pond we could hold a well sailed Supernova.That 'fast as a 300' comment I made was just when conditions were right.

The point of not having a kite on a Tasar was to make a boat with a rig uncompromised by the need to have one just get on and sail it!
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Well it eventually showed up after the M25 had had its wicked way with Wing Wang & Er Indoors as they death glared a path to our door they had some other bits for a Redoubt guy which we duly unwrapped and got them on their way as soon as, they had more still to do which was a bit of a shame as Wing Wang might have proved useful pointing out how to put the bits together.

But eventually I got the covers off and the mast up, there's this funny pole thing dangling by the side of the mast on elastic, that I have no idea what to do with, but luckily i have a stand in who does for thursday (Trevs Away), a new chap ex Chipstead reckons he knows what it's for.

There are Barbara things on the floor that Wing Wang told me what to do with but I've naturally immediately forgotten, allegedly they're to do with the jib so more unexplored territory.

Other than that it still looks as I remember, nice, simple and uncluttered, I've parked it right next to the Merlin, on thursday it'll be round one.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 14 at 8:58pm
The Icon has landed in deepest Kent and the world now quietly waits.

With tin hat and stiff drink in hand that is .....  Tongue
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Here at Abersoch there is both a Tasar and an Icon, but in the very light and shifting breeze anyone who thinks that the results are indicative is in for a shock. Have to say that watching the sailing with interes,t that both boats have looked impressive. If all goes to plan and the wind arrives, I'll be sailing the Icon on Thursday.

What is even more interesting is that for the rest of the time I've been sailing an experimental Merlin Rocket. A stunning boat, but one that just stops dead with any weight in the back. As the new breed of boats go through the stages of development where they can start to challenge the existing designs, there is a real risk that you'll need an even lighter helm at the back. Could this be the chance that Igrf has been waiting for......................
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 14 at 9:01am
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And we hope you get a bit of breeze ...  if you do I think you will find the acceleration interesting.  The other common impression is how 'easy', quiet and dry Icon is and how low the sheet loadings are.    Its speed is difficult to judge as a result if you are more used to one of the 'splashy' classes ... so just find something else nearby to sail near and see how it compares !   Should not be too much of a problem at Abersoch this week.  

Mike and Charlotte (it is their boat I think you will be trying) I'm sure, will give you a few general hints and guide you  on the dangly pole thing.   Get that right on a reach in breeze  feed the main with bit of controlled slot and hang on !

Let us know of course ....  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote iiitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 14 at 9:52am
This should be, Tasar v. Icon !!

Perhaps the trouble with Tasar, on a lake at least, is their sensitivity to adjustment. Frank Bethwaite said that the wake should be 'fine grained' and that the stern wave should start at the rudder. If it spreads from the corners of the chines then you are too far back or from one chine it is not flat. Not to mention sheeting the traveler to windward, no twin cars here, adjusting the jib slot on sliding fairleads, spannering the mast and remembering to pull back the shrouds at the gybe mark. As well as all this the crew has the minor controls, kicker, outhal and cunningham. What fun! What shouting. The crew however can gain revenge by hitting the helm with the jib stick when retrieving......

Are Tasar's allowed flying sticks yet?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 14 at 10:46am
I suspect the nice young man we saw in Folkestone might actually be grumpf's next victim, the world down there bring as small as it is.  He seemed quite knowledgeable.  Let's hope so.  It seemed to me that getting the slot right was crucial.
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Has the Icon come up against the all conqueroring Albacore yet when racing? In theory it should stuff it, so interested in how the reality goes?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AlexM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 14 at 11:22am
Originally posted by Rupert

Has the Icon come up against the all conqueroring Albacore yet when racing? In theory it should stuff it, so interested in how the reality goes?



Current results from a very light Abersoch

http://www.scyc.co.uk/Sail-100/2014-CADW-fast%20mixed/mywebos.html
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