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    Posted: 18 Jul 14 at 2:15pm
Jeez Graeme for someone that hates old stuff you do seem to hanker after most of the dross that was launched in the 90's
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Originally posted by blaze720



Greame ... try that Tasar if you get a chance !.Mike L.



Hmm a bit clunky for my liking all that 'spannering' would wind me up, I very nearly took it out for a play on wednesday, but anything that's slower than me sailing an EPS with it's old sail isn't going to appeal, but it is light. We're veering towards a V3000, we had a blinding battle with one last night managed to hold it off until the penultimate run when a gust caught us being a bit lazy about a down wind soaky wing wanged gybe and we went over. Until then the wing wang had held them off, they were chasing high angles looking for wind we were soaking deep fully 'wanged' unable to hold it if we went high, what's needed in the market is a super light wash through trap boat with wing wang kite capability, and retracting centreboard that's what we want.
The Alto is a write off if you capsize, the V3000 is a write off if the wind drops, the Icon has been neutered by it's handicap, the RS500 is just too plain unmanageable and also suffers no wing wang.

There are no perfect boats.

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Should anyone want to read the Tasar manual then it can be found at http://www.tasar.org/?Itemid=22  There's lots of information there, regarding theory, set up and technique , though bear in mind it was written 30 odd years ago.  The sails have changed with the introduction of laminate sails but most of the content is just as relevant today.  The fully battened mainsail does not like very light conditions as the battens can be difficult to "pop" when tacking and the roach of the jib can get caught on the diamonds, frustrating to say the least.  The whisker pole is deliberately made long to enable the boat to sail the run at angles rather than dead down wind.  Despite its foibles it is a very comfortable and rewarding boat to sail, especially on a close reach.
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Unfortunately the 're-arranged' dates have meant that the Icon 'CA' are on holiday at Aberwhatsit and Cirrus are supporting a Blaze event and running boat demonstrations in Lymington...  All pre-arranged and non-changeable  Cry

Have a great event though and anyone interested in Icon could get in direct contact after the weekend.... Cirrus and the CA will have several boats avialable at 'Sailfest' next month but still have one boat left for potential loan in the meantime plus we/they can run ad hoc tasters on demand.... just keep asking.

Greame ... try that Tasar if you get a chance !.

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The Tasar is a great boat and can be devastating quick in certain conditions. It can be a joy to sail.

However, it is a bit sticky in the really light and will get rinsed by trapeze boats in a breeze.

The spanner takes a bit of getting used to but is ok.

It sails very well downwind with the pole being used properly.

All in all I wouldn't sail it on a tiny pond. Best conditions might be flat water and moderate winds ?
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Originally posted by iGRF

That I guess would be if the spanner thing was et up properly which I doubt she did


The Tasar came with a very comprehensive operation and maintenance manual.   It was about 50 pages of A4 and was also a sailing/racing manual.    Nothing glossy or frothy but just accurate technical stuff.   Unbelievable really.  

It's a real shame the Tasar didn't take of in the UK.  I guess we were stuck on racing Enterprises, Graduates and Nat 12s  etc.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 14 at 12:29pm
That I guess would be if the spanner thing was et up properly which I doubt she did and would explain her lack of lift hunting, it was nicely breezy, nothing intense sunny afternoon force 3 ish maybe the odd puff of four occasionally lake lulls but generally steady.
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Jib pole is old style; not like a dangler or anything.

The boat points very well in a breeze and slop; few boats can point higher. We've outpointed world-class 420s and 470s (and I mean Olympic gold medallists) although that's in sloppy water and trapping conditions. The boat can be sailed at the high end of the groove without losing speed, if properly handled; that is, the windward jib telltales can be lifting to about 30 degrees when the boat is up to speed, without changing trim from the normal acceleration/power up mode where you have the windward tuft leading straight back.







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The tasar will point and go higher than most boats. You have to use a large amount of mainsheet tension as the mast is pretty flexible at the top and its the only way to get the jib halyard tensioned. It excels in a breeze but is a bit light on sail for the very light.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 14 at 11:45am
That mast does appear to give a very nice entry to the sail, but I didn't think the sail itself is very nice and she wasn't pointing anywhere near me and missed a few lifts. It's a bit old and shagged but then so is mine, I finally am convinced full batten rigs are not for dinghy sailing in confined water, the damn flow takes ages to become re attached after transitions.

Also, that pointy entry? We found with kites that too narrow and acute a leading edge attack angle don't give you much option, so stalling occurs more frequently and I imagine that Tasar sail will luff more than most in shifty weather, that sort of thing is fine in steady ocean breezes, but buggering about on shifty lakes? Then of course she kept getting the 'spanner' in the works

And did i detect a jib pole thing? She must have had something like that to reverse the jib the way she did?

Edited by iGRF - 18 Jul 14 at 11:48am
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