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    Posted: 14 Jul 14 at 4:54pm
The Tasar is a very good boat, especially in a bit of breeze. The Icon, I think, matches that performance but carries it down to lighter winds as well. The Tasar hull is light but the rig is really quite heavy.
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If I remember correctly, when it was first introduced the Tasar had a very similar PY to a Fireball
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Originally posted by iGRF

I'm never going to do another Nationals after that horror story at the RS100 event, I don't 'do' getting timed out when I'm trying to learn something and particularly not when I'm sponsoring the fecking event and you sailors going off for a curry and bed at 8 in the evening, not what I remember "nationals" being about, nor do I want to become a total alcoholic to do Merlin week, there is a happy medium and I think I found it in the FOM events if ever there is another, I shall go to that and maybe persuade Trev, but in truth his illness is not such that he can be travelling all over the place or spend long hours out on the water at the pleasure of some dingo psycho race officer hosebeast.

So chum unlikely you'll see me at an event these days unless maybe I hitch up a single hander...

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Originally posted by tgruitt


I think 969 is quite a long way out. The results were taken from a small sample of very good sailors so do not represent the average sailor. 1000 to 1005 is more like it bearing in mind a Merlin Rocket is 990...


Well, the Icon needs to attract some less hot-shot sailors.   A greater mass of average crews will get the h/c nearer where it should be.   The RS200 is a good example of this.  In the right hands, it can be sailed well above it's handicap  but with nearly 10,000 returns for the PY, it just gets averaged slower.

But take the RS 300.   This sails off 990 now.   Only because the boats are now mostly raced by those that can wring their necks.   The boat hasn't got any quicker since 1998. 

I think the PY system is pretty good and now it is a bit more reactive, some of the odd PYs will get sorted out rather than being left as is.
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The PY thing with the Icon has cost them a sale. I was up for ordering one at the dinghy show, but our club as a minimum PY rule of 1000. I think 969 is bonkers but I can't risk buying a boat I can sail only alternate years while the yardstick yo-yos. My new Albacore will be here soon.
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That's a real pity, not least because the reason the Icon PY is low is because it is good upwind. It is far more suited to restricted waters than some boats with higher PY but which carry (often asymmetric) kites.
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Originally posted by Peaky

That's a real pity, not least because the reason the Icon PY is low is because it is good upwind. It is far more suited to restricted waters than some boats with higher PY but which carry (often asymmetric) kites.


Exactly.   Perhaps you should ask your club for an exception based on the boat.   And the reality is, the Icon  py will probably settle at 1000 or less.

The lesson here is, early on,  just let Joe average club sailors race new design boats in the club py series. 


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Originally posted by iGRF

I'm never going to do another Nationals after that horror story at the RS100 event, I don't 'do' getting timed out when I'm trying to learn something and particularly not when I'm sponsoring the fecking event and you sailors going off for a curry and bed at 8 in the evening, not what I remember "nationals" being about,

Hang on, what tosh! 
If you were "timed out" it was because, at the rate you were going, we'd might have got in two races in the day, certainly not 4. Why would an OOD keep over 40 boats hanging around in a F5 for longer than their race took on the premise that one back-marker, you, might finally finish. He was only applying the standard and pre-published SIs; they applied to everyone and have been the same for years before and since. No one was picking on you or being unfair.

Secondly, I think we waited until after 8 to go for that curry, perhaps we were hoping you might finally make it ashore?

and then, to everyone's admiration and gratitude, you sponsored a meal, at which the only non-attendee was you, the host, a bit like the groom ducking out of a wedding, which everyone felt was a genuine shame. The most commonly uttered phase that evening was a concerned "where's grumph?"

I'd have thought the lesson for you should not be to avoid Nationals but that bragging beforehand about how you are going to drub everyone is making yourself a hostage to fortune and a comeuppance.

And as for 'trying to learn something' you'd had your boat for months. Many of us had only collected the things a week or two beforehand. Ignoring RS jockeys, there were only 3 owners with sail numbers earlier than yours, one of which was knee-wrecker himself. 

It was a pretty hard and harsh weekend's sailing for sure and several, me included, reached the point of deciding enough was enough. But as an event it was epic rather than a horror show.
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Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by iGRF

I'm never going to do another Nationals after that horror story at the RS100 event, I don't 'do' getting timed out when I'm trying to learn something and particularly not when I'm sponsoring the fecking event and you sailors going off for a curry and bed at 8 in the evening, not what I remember "nationals" being about,

Hang on, what tosh! 
If you were "timed out" it was because, at the rate you were going, we'd might have got in two races in the day, certainly not 4. Why would an OOD keep over 40 boats hanging around in a F5 for longer than their race took on the premise that one back-marker, you, might finally finish. He was only applying the standard and pre-published SIs; they applied to everyone and have been the same for years before and since. <span style="line-height: 1.4;">No one was picking on you or being unfair.</span>
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Secondly, I think we waited until after 8 to go for that curry, perhaps we were hoping you might finally make it ashore?
and then, to everyone's admiration and gratitude, you sponsored a meal, at which the only non-attendee was you, the host, a bit like the groom ducking out of a wedding, which everyone felt was a genuine shame. The most commonly uttered phase that evening was a concerned "where's grumph?"
I'd have thought the lesson for you should not be to avoid Nationals but that bragging beforehand about how you are going to drub everyone is making yourself a hostage to fortune and a comeuppance.
And as for 'trying to learn something' you'd had your boat for months. Many of us had only collected the things a week or two beforehand. Ignoring RS jockeys, there were only 3 owners with sail numbers earlier than yours, one of which was knee-wrecker himself. 
It was a pretty hard and harsh weekend's sailing for sure and several, me included, reached the point of deciding enough was enough. But as an event it was epic rather than a horror show.

And there writ large exactly the reason the sport is dwindling and events are getting fewer respondents, even when you tell them where they're going wrong they argue with you.. ffs you should write a book.. oh wait a minute

Edited by iGRF - 14 Jul 14 at 9:04pm
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People are funny things, as my late father used to say, 'One mans fish is another man's poission' Personally I have competed in a Nationals but I have attended many with others. I have never been happier or met nicer people.

A young girl (25) that I am friends with said the other week that she was ,'Default happy', what a great expression, default happy. I think GRF is 'default suspicious'.....takes all sorts.....
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