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    Posted: 04 Jun 14 at 11:59am
Good question....I suspect there are loads of factors, not least that most turnouts that involve travelling are suffering. Not sure the venue is all that popular with the demographic. Is singlehanding asymmetric sailing as popular as everyone expected - you could analyse it until the cows come home really, and I don't have answers to the big picture.

Every club/class is struggling to balance the numbers coming into racing against those leaving for whatever reason (and cycling or old age seem the biggest culprits around here) - at HISC we are working hard to help people transition from "I sail, but not sure about regular racing" to "hey that was great, when's the next race". Of course simple singlehanders are the most attainable - Lasers. Solos, Aeros etc. The RS100 and D-One compete for the competent sailors which as a group appear to be diminishing slightly in activity if not numbers. We introduced something called Get Racing Club which is really working and a note that Draycote appear to have adopted the same package!!

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Hi Simon

Understand your point of course - We have a slightly different approach in marginal high wind conditons .. and we do feel the Blaze batten system helps considerably (though maybe not the fully battened Halo one !).  Heading for a 'squeeky' gybe we dump a handful of kicker and the roach massively opens up - even inverting the few reamining full length battens up high if in blasting conditons and they almost head off in front of the mast.  You gybe and it feels almost underpowered and then slam the kicker back on.  Our belief is that  the semi-soft batten arrangement  means the sail can lose a hell of a lot of power when needed.  Far from pretty as well but there are few 'style' awards for critical transitions !

Anyway  ... I'm going to stay off the 100 thread now.  When we have a bit more to talk about and in time photos of the 'XS' concept we'll be back elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Nick Peters

I was responsible for the development of the RS100, as I was for virtually the entire RS range up until the end of 2011.I have often looked back at the classes and wondered what we might have done differently with the benefit of hindsight...and frankly the RS100 rates up there with the best in my view


So why do you think the nationals attendance has been in decline since it's early peak in 2011?
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There is a downside of stays on a boat like this. if gybing in a breeze its almost always the main that puts you in and not the kite. On the 100 if it was howling you didn't have far to go as the stays limit mast rotation. In the d-one, the final get out of jail is to dump the main and it flys off as there is no stay to hit,. Not saying its pretty, but can stop a swim. I know that it shouldn't come to that etc etc, but sometimes it just does...
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Clive agreed, I was frankly gob smacked.  But we were told that the 100 class had requested it specifically!  Py to one side we could have some great racing boat on boat which is what interests me, the but of glass I won for coming second means nothing but a good race Mano El Mano ticks my box!  

I have now bowed out of sailing a D1, certainly for the short term anyway.  My life has changed direction with work and other hobbies and it just doesn't fit in with my life anymore.  So it's a zero for me, for now.
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PS - I'll leave GRF perhaps to introduce a seperate thread in due course ... he knows enough already !        

Whoa. There are many things about grumph one can say, but please don't ever let him think he "knows enough." 

Demonstrably, he has black-holes in his knowledge to go with the the lunatic theories that defy the laws of physics, demonstrating only that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
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Well written post there Clive, agree with a lot of it and understand you are coming in to defend the 100 so perhaps a tiny bit unbalanced, but then so is my post.  I think that posh event was a little extreme, but I would not say the 100's were driven harder downhill then the d1's (why would I, I was leading the event after day1). The d1, does not need to be breasted around the course and is inherently more stable than the 100 so looks easier in my opinion.  It was also pretty breezy at that event (don't think you will disagree) and I had no problem with nose diving, neither has specky.  Albeit it's fair to say it can be bow happy in lumpier waters , but pitchpoling is not something that I have seen properly happen.  I agree with nick about the ideal weight range he is 86kg and 6'3 (?) perfect for just about any class.  But he is not a normal sailor, the wings help people like Charlie chandler (current national champion) weighing 70-75kg race on the same course as myself and Dave Gorringe at much much more.  The racing is really close across the fleet and nick by no means has it his own way mixing it with others in the fleet half his weight again.  Like I said the boat is not perfect, but then I don't think any boat is, sailing is all about compromise and that the best thing about the sport, our equipment is very versatile across a range of conditions.  I think one thing worth pointing out is that Nick Craig is the class treasurer and dearly loves his D1, I don't think he would share that commitment if he wasn't satisfied he was in a great boat, with great racing.

Anyway, I'm sure we don't want to start a d1 vs 100 debate AGAIN, it does neither class any favours.  It sent me round the twist and I can't be bothered to deal with the pm's again to be honest! Both boats are finding their level and offer some differnt options to the end user.

What was disappointing with POSH last year was that the 100s and D1s did not start together. Missed opportunity.

Sadly, the re-scheduled POSH this year clashes with one of our opens I think, but perhaps in 2015 we can have some fun racing each other. That'd be far more fun than sharing a course and start with 600s


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A gentle reminder Mike: the 100 rig is not actually unstayed - it has shrouds but no forestay - idea being to keep the mast in boat downwind. Upwind they do little or nothing. Downwind, no forestay to get in way of gybing the kite
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Hold the horses !   I'm sorting out a 'one-off' special that will simply use an available (but very lightweight) hull with what we think might be interesting.  Much beyond that is simply speculation but it will be facinating to compare it to the D-I and 100 on the water - especially as it would be the only one ofthe three that would sport a stayed mast.  Even as a one-tme OK/Laser helm I'm still to be convinced about the characteristics and sutability of un-stayed rigs for these types - but that is just my current opinion/bias.

I think the market is relatively limited for this sort of boat anyway - hence Cirrus avoiding it in the past and keeping the Blaze a little more 'purist' and focussed.  My simple conviction is that a great many have still to try Blaze sailing (or Fire or Halo)  here yet and even fewer outside of  the UK and a couple of nearby countries in Europe.  Our main job is to work on that .... We are totally fine with what we are doing already and have a hell of a lot of potential still to explore with partner builders currently here and very possibly overseas as well in the future.

This project is intended to be a bit of exploratory one and simply fun ... and if we were ever convinced it was commercially attractive, which is not at all that likely at the moment, we'd most likely commission a different hull design for all the bits and pieces to go on.   

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Well written post there Clive, agree with a lot of it and understand you are coming in to defend the 100 so perhaps a tiny bit unbalanced, but then so is my post.  I think that posh event was a little extreme, but I would not say the 100's were driven harder downhill then the d1's (why would I, I was leading the event after day1). The d1, does not need to be breasted around the course and is inherently more stable than the 100 so looks easier in my opinion.  It was also pretty breezy at that event (don't think you will disagree) and I had no problem with nose diving, neither has specky.  Albeit it's fair to say it can be bow happy in lumpier waters , but pitchpoling is not something that I have seen properly happen.  I agree with nick about the ideal weight range he is 86kg and 6'3 (?) perfect for just about any class.  But he is not a normal sailor, the wings help people like Charlie chandler (current national champion) weighing 70-75kg race on the same course as myself and Dave Gorringe at much much more.  The racing is really close across the fleet and nick by no means has it his own way mixing it with others in the fleet half his weight again.  Like I said the boat is not perfect, but then I don't think any boat is, sailing is all about compromise and that the best thing about the sport, our equipment is very versatile across a range of conditions.  I think one thing worth pointing out is that Nick Craig is the class treasurer and dearly loves his D1, I don't think he would share that commitment if he wasn't satisfied he was in a great boat, with great racing.

Anyway, I'm sure we don't want to start a d1 vs 100 debate AGAIN, it does neither class any favours.  It sent me round the twist and I can't be bothered to deal with the pm's again to be honest! Both boats are finding their level and offer some differnt options to the end user.
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