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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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I think that is unlikely. The D-Zero will perform to expectation on RTC club courses, and will (in theory) provide good racing with similar paced existing classes- be that finns, OKs, Supernovas etc I fully expect some movement on the PY, but this unlikely to be the monumental shifts enough for anyone to really notice, not once they've got the boat dialled in anyway.
The RS100 had nothing to race against unless there just happened to be an existing fleet of 200s and/or 400s. Plus a number of us bought them and sailed them at small inland venues, or places without dedicated W/L racing. Sure, you could say that was naive, I chalk it up to experience. Anyway not an issue for the D-Zero, it just slots right in to a typical handicap fleet. No more advantageous than any other unarig really - it's what the Rooster 8.1 could be with a hull & rig upgrade ;-) Both classes are similar only in one respect: amateur sailors are giving them a chance, a chance that maybe the D-One was not afforded. I think there are 35+ confirmed orders (more deposits) for the UK. That seems like good initial take up, I hope that's sustainable rather than the boom / bust model of the 100. Other than that, I think the 100 was more hype, the D-Zero more reality- I don't really get a vibe there's much 'D-Zero hype', it's just a 'nice boat' that is reflected in the reportage. This is possibly a realisation of a maturity in the marketplace that doesn't think of asymmetric sailing as some panacea for boring boats. The 90's marketing bull finally wearing off? The asymmetric dinghies which are good have survived, the rest are dead or dying. A bit like foiling. No one wants a 600FF, even the A-Class boys are in meltdown. If you want to foil, get a moth. It's niche, but it's right for the market space.
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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I agree, in the 100 I never had a gybing strop and never once had a problem gybing because the main was coming over late. As long as you had enough mainsheet on the main would just gently flop over and the kite would do all the pulling through the gybe. The main killer was going slow into and through the gybe, just as in a 700/musto. Priority must be given to getting your arse over the side rather than fiddling around gybing the main!
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boatbasher ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 76 |
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Agreed ... all the fundamentals look good on the D-0. I really hope the D-0 does not end up the way of the RS100 ... |
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iitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 13 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 392 |
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When I first saw the 100 at the show I was so impressed with the sexy carbon foredeck and all that stuff. It did look the dogs at Ali Pali. We have one at our club now and it looks flappy and clumsy alongside a 300. At it's launch all you wealthy guys must have been fingers poised for the bax payment. There will always be fashionable/boats/cars/trousers, no harm in that it keeps the wheels of industry turning. The same thing is happening with the D Zero but the D Zero looks lovely and modern as well as being user friendly. I see a real future for it as a mass participation class.
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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that's the unofficial training sail for featherweights.... a 7.4, not class legal.
Yes, that was amusing when it was launched, literally weeks after the PY debacle when the RYA gave the boat one PY, without any knowledge of which sail had been used for the 3 results it based its decision on. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Ah, so 'larger persons' were indeed involved with the development ![]() But which rig is this, then?: ![]() |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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I know of Ian's report, I posted it to a blog run about the class several years ago, but worth pointing out RS paint a slightly different story about the early stages of development, and there were other folks who were already in discussion- a hiking 700 (B14 for 1 person) was the basis of one such conversation iirc. Anyway, one thing's for sure... there were a couple of different size sails in the development programme and on the prototype boats we sailed- the aim at the time was trying to work out the optimum for the production boat. I sailed the yellow one. It seemed pretty sweet tbh- I reckon that was about 8.5-9.0m. Some bright spark decided it was best to have two, not one, going into the production boat and the sail sizes (inc the kite) began to get bigger and bigger- chasing some elusive performance that ultimately makes the boat so bi-polar. I guess fear that the Devoti offering might be quicker drove this to some extent- not that speed should or would ultimately be that relevant, both get caned by an MPS regardless. I remember thinking two rigs was a bit bold, but I disagreed with those who thought it would lead to a still born class. On reflection, they were right and numbers at events only have to be looked at for confirmation that the class has pretty much stalled in terms of new boat sales- especially in the 10.2 iteration. 15 on Apolloduck right now... that's not healthy is it? As Paul points out, the Laser had sold what, 100,000 units globally before the M rig / Radial Rig came out. Even then Laser were very clear to manage it as very much a separate class, which to be fair, RS are emulating with the 3 Aero Classes, so I hope we don't see history repeat itself. It would be interesting to know the split between 5, 7 and 9 rigs that have been pre-ordered. My gut instinct would tell me that the 5 and 7 will ultimately become the popular choice for that platform.
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haroosh ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 521 |
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I was one of the early adoptors of this boat when it was launched and after changing classes very regularly I have now had this boat for since new and not been tempted to change yet.
For me as a 65kg person I find it a perfect boat (with 8.4 rig) for myself who likes hiking but also likes the thrill of asymetric sailing.
Its very rewarding when hiking hard upwind plodding uphill and is then is superb downwind with nice deep angles.
I agree with some earlier posts that upwind is when I tend to try and hang on when sailing against other slightly faster classes and downwind is when the overtaking happens.
I have missed out on class racing as this boat coincided with young kids arriving but its still alot of fun handicap racing :) I had several seasons fun racing against 200's and 400's in its first 3 years.
Like everything in life its not everyones cup of tea for for some of us the concept was and is spot on :)
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Remember the 8.1 isn't an official Laser rig though (it is nice on light winds Wednesday night racing though... I have 1 for sale if anyone is interested).....
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Paul
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