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    Posted: 03 Jun 14 at 12:51pm
You cant argue with multiple rig Lasers as a marketing ploy but 4.7 for children, Radial for youth, full rig for adult and 8.1 for fattie. Most RS 100 sailors are already grown up when they enter the class.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Multiple rigs don't seem to have hurt Laser sales.


Yes but do remember the Laser was a standard for a long time before the M-rig then the Radial came along. Then followed the 4.7 so the boat had a critical mass already and smaller rigs were a way of encouraging more sailors into the class (typically youth who would 'grow in' to the bigger sails).
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Multiple rigs don't seem to have hurt Laser sales.

On another point, as I understand it, the guy who commissioned the RS100 design in the first place (before RS got involved) wanted a winged (not racked), stable-ish hiker with an asymmetric.  He weighed around 11 stone, and the original rig size was to have been smaller.

Then to the chap's delight, RS took up the project and developed it, but being big guys they wanted more power, hence the bigger rigs, making it more of a beast than was ever intended (RS500 suffered a similar fate).

Not surprisingly, the originator sold his 100 very shortly after he got it; it wasn't what he'd wanted.

Maybe explains why the smaller rig is now more popular.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 14 at 11:56am
Originally posted by AlexM

I think the monster tag might have come from the gybing aspect where it was difficult in high winds especially if you were at the lower end of the scale (a gybing strop soon sorted that out)


Interested in that - in a Musto we'd not gybe the main by hand with the kite up until it was ballistic and only then because you were safety gybing. The main gets left to sort itself out
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Originally posted by kneewrecker



Tim Not So Dim was right, but I even he would be surprised how quickly the bottom's dropped out of this class.  



I think the ambiguity over the rigs didn't help but fundamentally the concept was/is flawed ... it was never going to deliver on the performance promises ...

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it's the 'opposite' in so many ways.

The 300 came to market with a weight equalisation rule to try and control sh*t.  The class saw fit to say b**locks and let folks sail with whatever sail they wanted, albeit limited to rig switching mid-season for traveller series scores - probably a concession to get the silly wight equalisation rule dumped, and almost certainly unenforced through the fleet today.  It continues to prosper as an active class, and hopefully a few new boats a year from BY@beer will sustain it.

The 100 came to market with an open sails approach, limiting rig switching between series.  The class saw fit to annihilate the less popular sail choice as some of them thought the 10.2s had an unfair advantage.  Whatever... I think Alex summed it up well above, an unnecessary move, far too early in a class evolution. 

Bottom line multiple rigs... kiss of death, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 8.4 doesn't catch a cold as a result too.  The D-One will easily support a lighter weight sailor as well as the Phantom boys. 

Tim Not So Dim was right, but I think even he would be surprised how quickly the bottom's dropped out of this class.  

I hope the Aero has a better fate.




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Originally posted by Rupert

If you watch a big rig Laser going upwind when overpowered, you can see it sliding sideways in the gusts as wind is spilled, whereas the Radial is powered up more of the time and climbs higher. In the Laser, the extra upwind sail area is worth hanging onto for getting back down wind again. In the 100, you can bung up an extra sail, so there isn't the need for the bigger sail upwind. I'm sure if the boat was unarigged, the big sail would be the dominant one.

Which is why, also, that the 300 fleet almost exclusively uses the big (B) rig rather than the smaller (A) rig - the opposite of what has happened in the 100s.
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Originally posted by Rupert

If you watch a big rig Laser going upwind when overpowered, you can see it sliding sideways in the gusts as wind is spilled, whereas the Radial is powered up more of the time and climbs higher. In the Laser, the extra upwind sail area is worth hanging onto for getting back down wind again. In the 100, you can bung up an extra sail, so there isn't the need for the bigger sail upwind. I'm sure if the boat was unarigged, the big sail would be the dominant one.

I agree on the upwind Rupert, a Radial is definitely significantly faster in a blow (which is why I have one, for those windy days).

Offwind as long as you can get the radial planing all the time then there is very little difference (in my experience on our puddle at Hunts) and you are less likely to swim (and it is a lot of fun hammering a radial round in a blow).
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15 for sale on Apollo Duck - inc Graeme's old boat for £3995.00!
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Wow, I got out of this at the right time! Sold for more than I bought it new for a year ago! 
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