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iitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 13 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 392 |
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You cant argue with multiple rig Lasers as a marketing ploy but 4.7 for children, Radial for youth, full rig for adult and 8.1 for fattie. Most RS 100 sailors are already grown up when they enter the class.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Yes but do remember the Laser was a standard for a long time before the M-rig then the Radial came along. Then followed the 4.7 so the boat had a critical mass already and smaller rigs were a way of encouraging more sailors into the class (typically youth who would 'grow in' to the bigger sails).
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Multiple rigs don't seem to have hurt Laser sales.
On another point, as I understand it, the guy who commissioned the RS100 design in the first place (before RS got involved) wanted a winged (not racked), stable-ish hiker with an asymmetric. He weighed around 11 stone, and the original rig size was to have been smaller. Then to the chap's delight, RS took up the project and developed it, but being big guys they wanted more power, hence the bigger rigs, making it more of a beast than was ever intended (RS500 suffered a similar fate). Not surprisingly, the originator sold his 100 very shortly after he got it; it wasn't what he'd wanted. Maybe explains why the smaller rig is now more popular. |
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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Interested in that - in a Musto we'd not gybe the main by hand with the kite up until it was ballistic and only then because you were safety gybing. The main gets left to sort itself out |
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boatbasher ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 76 |
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I think the ambiguity over the rigs didn't help but fundamentally the concept was/is flawed ... it was never going to deliver on the performance promises ... Edited by boatbasher - 03 Jun 14 at 11:51am |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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it's the 'opposite' in so many ways.
The 300 came to market with a weight equalisation rule to try and control sh*t. The class saw fit to say b**locks and let folks sail with whatever sail they wanted, albeit limited to rig switching mid-season for traveller series scores - probably a concession to get the silly wight equalisation rule dumped, and almost certainly unenforced through the fleet today. It continues to prosper as an active class, and hopefully a few new boats a year from BY@beer will sustain it. The 100 came to market with an open sails approach, limiting rig switching between series. The class saw fit to annihilate the less popular sail choice as some of them thought the 10.2s had an unfair advantage. Whatever... I think Alex summed it up well above, an unnecessary move, far too early in a class evolution. Bottom line multiple rigs... kiss of death, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 8.4 doesn't catch a cold as a result too. The D-One will easily support a lighter weight sailor as well as the Phantom boys. Tim Not So Dim was right, but I think even he would be surprised how quickly the bottom's dropped out of this class. I hope the Aero has a better fate. Edited by kneewrecker - 03 Jun 14 at 11:21am |
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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Which is why, also, that the 300 fleet almost exclusively uses the big (B) rig rather than the smaller (A) rig - the opposite of what has happened in the 100s.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I agree on the upwind Rupert, a Radial is definitely significantly faster in a blow (which is why I have one, for those windy days). Offwind as long as you can get the radial planing all the time then there is very little difference (in my experience on our puddle at Hunts) and you are less likely to swim (and it is a lot of fun hammering a radial round in a blow).
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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15 for sale on Apollo Duck - inc Graeme's old boat for £3995.00!
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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Wow, I got out of this at the right time! Sold for more than I bought it new for a year ago!
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