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ajbaldwin 
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 Topic: PY changes for 2014Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 8:58am |
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the Vareo up by 19, to 1071. That's the second year in a row it has had a fair increase. I think I need to have a word with the powers that be at the club, as we still sail it of 1038.
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Yorkshire Dales SC
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 9:08am |
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from memory that sounds like it should be about right, if a little on the generous side given I used to always think my boat quicker than a Supernova- also on 1071 this year. I always thoroughly enjoyed racing my vareo against the RS200s at our club, but that was back in the day before the races were even timed, never mind results calculated. We had good numbers handicap racing back then.
D1 and RS400 look nice and close 959 and 946 respectively... race scratch?
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Blue One
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 9:18am |
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To the neutral eye it all seems as fair as it can be. Boats that where called bandits, the handicap has got worse. Boat that where known to be slow, the handicap has got better.
Isn't this what we want? Yes the system is not perfect, no system can be. Yes there are anomalies. But the system works and is the least worst answer to the question of handicap racing.
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 9:26am |
If everyone had your attitude towards it, I'd agree with you. Given a set of circumstances, I think I'd actually find it more rewarding than fleet racing- certainly at club level. However there are two ways to get demoralised after a race- one is to acknowledge you sailed badly, how we deal with that is up to us individually. Another is to think the system cheated us, or worse, our competitors feel cheated by it devaluing the result we got. There is no solution to this problem without a significant change in attitude.
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Time Lord
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 9:57am |
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What's 'a manual watersport'?
Is it a reference to all the pumping that windsurfers do? |
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Merlin Rocket 3609
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fleaberto
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 10:15am |
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I may be simplistic, but I'm just going to go sailing.
Whether the PY on my Lightning/EPS/420 has changed will make not a jot of difference to my results. We might begin experimenting with personal handicaps at our place this season - I've requested 12000 as mine 
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Lightning368 'All the Gear' (409), Lightning368 'Sprite' (101), Laser (big number) 'Yellow Jack', RS Vareo (432)'The Golden Rays'
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 10:38am |
SUP/Canoe - both growing iirc
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AlexM
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 10:43am |
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Good to see 117 clubs had submitted through the PYS website, 40 clubs submitted paper(?) versions.
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maxibuddah
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 11:00am |
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What's wrong with paper versions. At least they submitted something. Our club only got a computer a couple of years ago , and Internet only a couple of months ago. Trying to even get people to use the computer to work out the results is a miracle, let alone submitting trace results to a website. God help us all there. The club is full of people who panic when they see a keyboard
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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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Rupert
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Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 11:05am |
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I don't think the RYA can get as much info from the paper versions, but agree that it is far far better than no version at all.
I'm with Fleaberto on the subject when it actually comes to being on the water and racing, but surely this is the place to be discussing such things. For me, personal handicaps work well within a single class fleet, rather than on top of boat handicapping. |
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