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    Posted: 29 Jan 14 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by Ruscoe

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Hector

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In a week or two you'll chalk that up to experience; one you might hope to not repeat, but an experience that will in someway have enriched your life for the better.

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Yep ... it is always the horrible gnarly days that stick in the memory .... bring 'em on ...

Whilst I'm sure most dinghy sailors love a gnarly day, this was somewhat more than that.  It was a freak storm which was unsailable and life threatening IMO.  It would be enough to put the most hardcore sailors off sailing again.  Luckily no one was hurt, but I should imagine many have a new found respect for Mother Nature.  It's certainly one to talk about at the club bar!

It's been interesting following this thread while I couldn't post, and some FB stuff too.  

The debate about self-imposed limits/confidence is interesting, but what I take away from this is that in what was arguably the worst conditions UK dinghy sailing has been exposed to in signifcant numbers due to freak strong winds in the depths of winter (water cold even if air not that bad).  Which were demonstrably unsailable, and yes potentially life threatening.

But the fact is nobody did die, I have heard no reports of significant injury (including cold injury - whoever it was who complained about the lack of warm water in the shower - you weren't that cold or you wouldn't have cared!) (See Tiger Trophy 12 - delayed shower for 45 minutes in order not to damage feet by rapid warming).  Which to me shows that the control measures in place for the risks were adequate....And we can bring this forward when the Health and Safety Bde show up.
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Many of people fears are born from physical limitations.

I can imagine it would be quite scary knowing that you don't have the strength to pull yourself back into the boat after a capsize ... I think that would make me afraid to capsize as the downsides are not good.

If you are in that position you either need to work on fitness or perhaps sail a boat with lower freeboard or sail a 2 person boat with someone fitter who knows you will need help back in or stop sailing ... I think sailing in the knowledge that a capsize could have serious implications is pretty risky as a capsize can easily occur.

My biggest concern was separation from the boat on a capsize so I clip the tail of my mainsheet to my BA. 
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When I say take the piss etc I wasn't referring to this conversation I was referring to your average bar talk when there is always somebody spouting off about what they are capable of and what everybody else should be capable of!!!!
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I don't think anyone is taking the piss, or indeed giving it 'bravado max'; but we do all face our fears and mental barriers in differing ways. Some of us prefer to use a bit a caution mixed with fatalism and Yodaism- 'do or do not, there is no try'... No one is saying that is right, any more than irrational fears are wrong.
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Interesting picture of the lightning at Northampton football ground last Saturday

http://www.northampton-news-hp.co.uk/imagelibrary/Client%20Images/Client00004/00905000/00905590.jpg

As good a reason for keeping the mast pointing down as any!!!!

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Its a sport its supposed to be fun if you don't enjoy you don't have to go out!!

Some like pushing themselves to the limits, some like pottering around when its sunny and warm!! I have far more respect for those that are honest and admit that they don't enjoy it or cant cope than those who go out when they shouldn't and get into trouble OR take the mick out of people who aren't in their comfort zone!!

But no matter which way you look at it however good you are there was a 10 minute or so period when Northampton was completely un sailable no matter how good you were and the fact that nobody was too badly broken was pretty lucky!!!

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So many sailors are full of bollox. "It was blowing this and it was blowing that" or "I can't be bothered unless it is blowing a twelve". Because the majority of correspondents are in many ways (but not all) mature we are saved from the majority of this nonsense. Some of us are not full of confidence and bravado. Once upon a time I was a lot more brave than I am now. I was wiped out in Torbay once which had a lasting impression and these days I hate bringing boats up from inversion even on a small lake. My greatest achievement last year was to not capsize at all! I don't like it, I don't like the water sloshing round my face and I don't like the boat rolling on top of me. This is why I gave up Byte sailing. The fear is of course largely irrational, I know that but I hate capsizing and I love sailing. Bring on a little force 3 with the sun sparkling on the water and see me go!
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Big breeze sailing is very much a confidence thing and the only way to get that is to build up to it and sail in progressively harder and harder conditions. First though the body needs to be capable, and you have to be within your limits. Years ago when 49er sailing, my helm at the time and I instigated a 5 swim rule. Once we reached that we were done for the day as we were starting to make more and more fatigue based mistakes. So while building up the confidence stay well within your limits and slowly stretch yourself when it is safe to do so.

After a bit, what was hard in 15 knots becomes common place and then 20 and so on, until it is only the super extreme conditions that will catch anyone out that will be a big issue. But at least then you will have a chance of conquering the boat and getting back to the beach in one piece.
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No thanks Maxi- to be understanding would mean using some empathy towards your plight and if I thought about it too much there's no way I'd sail in anything over a F3, never mind get stuck in on good F6 or 7 on my windsurf kit. Neither would I drop down a mountain strapped to a board at 40/50 miles an hour or enrol my kids into a ski lesson to learn the same. Would I get on my bike for fear of being knocked off by a passing motorist- it's happened twice in my life already, can you be third time lucky? So no thanks, I'll take a pass on thinking about it all too much but hope to hell you can figure out a way to get your mojo back... But seriously it might be worth talking to someone professional- a sports psychologist or even a professional trainer might help... And a few sessions is still less than a new sail. or just sack off windy sailing - living in blighty and working for a living, you're not giving up much- it's rarely that windy here on those Summer evening sails we're all missing so badly right now.



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