New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Sailing is for posh people
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Sailing is for posh people

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 1011121314 41>
Author
Daniel Holman View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 17 Nov 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 997
Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Sailing is for posh people
    Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 9:14pm
20-40 is a fairly time poor age all things being considered. Well, less so the earlier 20s unless you get serious about career unusually early. Starting families is time intensive. Luxury time heavy activities (sailing) will take the hit.
I think that there is no harm in this gate separating the wheat from the chaff - the real sailors from the fair weather sailors.
Back to Top
yellowwelly View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2003
Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 9:13pm
At least you haven't bought a Solo yet :-)
Back to Top
craiggo View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 01 Apr 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1810
Post Options Post Options   Quote craiggo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 9:10pm
I honestly dont think that disposable income is the reason for the lack of 20-40yr olds buying into sailing, certainly not the lack of disposable income anyway.

I suspect as has probably been posted somewhere in the depths of this thread, that the issue is that 20-40yr olds are tending to dip in and out of activities for short periods rather than commiting to one sport. In fact I'd go further and suggest its one of the reasons teenagers also dont tend to flock to the sport. As parents those of us with kids want to give our children as many life experiences as we can afford. We get into a habit of encouraging this as our children hear what their friends are doing. How many of you have had kids come home from school asking if they can start ballet, swimming club, cheerleading, rollerskating, rugby etc. and how many have begrudgingly gone along with it in the hope that your little one might find the sport/pastime that they want to stick at forever. I suspect during the rather good financial bubble that we have been living in, in recent history that this behaviour has become more prevalent. I propose that the issue now is one of a continuation of this behaviour. 20-40 somethings are continuing to dabble with new activities as suggested by friends they meet, but still never settling down with one sport.
It is this behaviour that means Nessa's initiatives have been successful at her club, but while it may be good for maintaining club memberships, is it good for the actual sport? Are these people actively taking part in dinghy racing or do they just sail around for a few months and then disappear.
As is usual I think getting these nomadic folk to commit to racing in a regular manner is the key if we want dinghy racing to continue to thrive around the country, otherwise I think we'll end up with lots of cruising/pottering about clubs, with only a few dedicated racing venues.
Perhaps this is an acceptable future and one we should not fight, but I for one dont like the idea of it. That said most of my initiatives to get beginners into racing have failed so perhaps I have just prematurely aged and become a dinosaur.

Edited by craiggo - 11 Dec 13 at 9:12pm
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 8:57pm
Who is going to subsidise the 25-45 yo's? Students? Pensioners?
What we need is sponsored clubs! Volvo SC (formerly HISC) and Sports Direct SC at Tynemouth.
Back to Top
rogerd View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 25 May 04
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1076
Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

A serious point, the way to encourage dinghy sailing for between mid twenties and mid forties is through club owned boats, and subsidised subscriptions for this age group.  There are too many demands on this age groups disposable income for the capital outlay for decent racing boats, or many club subscriptions

At last a sensible post. Discounts for students always seems to me to be a bit unfair. They probably have more disposable income than most of the 20-40 age group.
Having said that I didn't sail in those years because I was to busy following my dream and running a dairy farm which gives you no time at for playing.
Back to Top
Daniel Holman View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 17 Nov 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 997
Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 8:30pm
How many (dinghy) sailors are daily mail readers ?
How many (dinghy) sailors are independently educated and daily mail readers ?
Back to Top
winging it View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 22 Mar 07
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3958
Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 7:37pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

A serious point, the way to encourage dinghy sailing for between mid twenties and mid forties is through club owned boats, and subsidised subscriptions for this age group.  There are too many demands on this age groups disposable income for the capital outlay for decent racing boats, or many club subscriptions

Yes.  I have set a lot of store by having a good range of club boats available to hire at very reasonable rates.  This has been necessitated by our boat park being full, so we could take no more boats on site..  By having a decent set of club boats we have still managed to grow our membership to its highest ever level.  Most popular club boats have been the lasers, the sport England funded vagos and the ubiquitous topper. Also enjoying inexplicable popularity with adults and families have been the picos.  As part of our training ethos we try to discourage people from buying boats until they really know what they want.

We afford the boats either by grant funding or by judicious eBay watching.
the same, but different...

Back to Top
yellowwelly View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2003
Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 7:20pm
45% tax next April Paul....
Back to Top
davidyacht View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 29 Mar 05
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1345
Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 6:50pm
A serious point, the way to encourage dinghy sailing for between mid twenties and mid forties is through club owned boats, and subsidised subscriptions for this age group.  There are too many demands on this age groups disposable income for the capital outlay for decent racing boats, or many club subscriptions
Back to Top
craiggo View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 01 Apr 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1810
Post Options Post Options   Quote craiggo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 6:24pm
One of the issues with the current UK income tax system, is the fact that it is calculated as a percentage of earnings, something the 'have nots' do not understand. Because of their belief that the education system doesn't cater for them, they never got to the maths class that taught what percentages mean. The net effect is that they believe that someone who is earning £30k is somehow getting a better deal re. taxes than they are on £18k. It's this basic lack of knowledge that drives a wedge in society, as they simply can't comprehend that the wealthier you are within the same tax code then the more you pay. This is where the 50p TAX bracket becomes a real battle ground because, why should hard working high earners be penalised for their success?
Just to clarify that the 50p TAX bracket wouldn't affect me as I'm an engineer but a simple lack of understanding of basic principles can have a huge impact.

How does this relate to posh people sailing? We are generally not posh, however a basic lack of understanding hampers the non sailor. We can try to educate them, but if they don't want to be educated they will potentially carry on belittling our sport in ignorance.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 1011121314 41>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy