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    Posted: 11 Dec 13 at 9:12am
Originally posted by iitick

Well back from the Mechanics Institute and AGM. Jolly affair, pub/meeting/pub. So there we are discussing weighty topics with a line dancing club going on up stairs. sh*t those Mechanics are heavy footed. 

What transpired is that we have 22 club boats, all sailable, no joining fee, and very reasonable subscriptions. We also provide training. What is there to stop people?

Are we perceived as to posh?


More likely, no one knows you are there, and that you have the boats on offer. Whitefriars started sending info about events like Open Days to the local newspapers, with updates on club one off events, too, and the post 2008 deline has halted and reversed. Having an active junior group, which isn't centred around racing, but about fun on the water also helps, so long as local people know it is there.

After that, it just needs people wanting to actually have a go. I'm sure an idyll like a club nestled in Peak District hills should attract members, whatever their social standing, and probably never knowing it, either.
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If every member just brings along one Tarquin, Rupert or Jermima you will double your membership. 
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In reality Rupert I think we suffer from our location. All you say is true but......earlier in this 'thread' I mentioned a club about 10 miles away in Cheshire and very close to a private school and areas of considerable affluence. This water is horrible but attracts considerable numbers of splashing Henry's.

Combs Sailing Club is close to the small town of Chapel en le Frith and about 10 miles from Buxton. This area is 'Old England', there is wealth but largely it is a very mixed and ordinary place.

We have very few local members (we are) with the bulk of our membership being drawn from small towns and communities on this side of the Manchester conurbation. We do publicise ourselves locally and can be seen from a main road but we find it very difficult to attract local members particularly juniors.

There are just not enough of the right (posh?) kind of people locally. Clubs like Datchet, QM or even Northampton are close to large swathes of the 'right kind' of people.

Our membership is stable and our finances good but it seems a shame that sailing is regarded as an exclusive sport.


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To be fair I suspect that most sports that require facilities or equipment are pretty middle class. 

Sailing is no worse than cricket, swimming, hockey, rugby, cycling etc ... Football and running are probably the "working class" pursuits if you like as they require minimal equipment of facilities. 

Keeping fit and healthy is also perhaps a more middle class obsession. 
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Keeping fit and healthy is also perhaps a more middle class obsession. 


I don't think the mainstream club sailor is particularly fit. It's possible to be quite unfit and still do well at a club level. What I mean by unfit is smoking 20 a day and carrying a beer gut. That aside though.

There maybe an element of truth in what you say although it would probably be more accurate to say: keeping fit and healthy is more an obsession of those that don't do manual work.....fair enough, they need the exercise.

We do seem to be overly obsessed with class in this country though. It's one of the main reasons that manufacturing is struggling.......The problem (or attitude) is nearly a 1000 years old though so I don't suppose it'll go away. 
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Our membership is stable and our finances good but it seems a shame that sailing is regarded as an exclusive sport.



sounds like you've got nothing to worry about.... I guess it doesn't occur to us to think that most people would say sailing, in the UK, especially inland without the coastal draw of living near the sea and messing around in boats over the summer, is pretty much a daft way to spend your recreation time when there are so many other things to try and do... which probably don't cost anywhere near as much.  
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Originally posted by transient

 We do seem to be overly obsessed with class in this country though. It's one of the main reasons that manufacturing is struggling.......The problem (or attitude) is nearly a 1000 years old though so I don't suppose it'll go away. 

It's a joke really isn't it, the old class categories are gone...

A) We have an underclass... people who will never become a net contributor to society.  (I don't mean just tax- there's loads of ways to contribute to communities)

B) Then there is everyone else... arguing about how we deal with (a), when in reality we're all in the same boat and probably all would accept that we pro rata the hit, if only it seemed a bit fairer.  

There's also a final category- international citizens, folks who hide their wealth from taxation.  It could be corporations like Starbucks, who offset their Corp Tax arrangements with some moral nonsense about creating jobs and saving/cloning High Streets in yet another bland array of corporate identity.  All that lost government revenue could put a big dent in (a), but it won't happen- they'll be too smart about it and the rest of us will pick up the shortfall.

So what if Starbucks threatens to pull out of the UK in totality?  That's a b**locks threat... there's a market for coffee shops and they'd want their slice, even if they were made to pay Corp Tax.  But if those Starbucks shut down then independent coffee shops would spring up- picking up the lost labour, contributing more to local and national economics and almost certainly adding a bit of something interesting to the typical bland high street location occupied by that regal green bitch. 

Independent business is what drives the backbone of our economy... it pays its taxes, it employs to grow, it uses specialised resources when needed and it trains its staff.  Independent business will invest in new markets and above all, it tends to innovate, which is essential in a global market when our own cost base is higher than competitor economies.  

Over 24 million people are employed by the SME market in the UK.... most of them doing a bloody good job, working hard and restoring our economy after the last Government raped it.  And before key workers from the public sector jump in- yes, you guys do a damn good job- teachers, nurses, doctors, policemen, firemen... christ knows how you deal with burden the underclass put on you, never mind the bureaucracy to cover your arses from the media and/or central Government in the event that 'sh*t happens'.  And all you get is a measly 1% pay cap, while IPSA dole out 11% more for the tax dodgers and corporate cronies in Whitehall.      

The SME sector could do a lot more, and imho, a lot more beneficial to society as a whole, if the playing field were evened up a bit and the corporates were made to pay their due share of society's burden too. 

It won't happen- too many vested interests in the media and in politics to protect it.   



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Bugger...and I never thought the solution to society was that simple..........
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

 Independent business is what drives the backbone of our economy... it pays its taxes, it employs to grow, it uses specialised resources when needed and it trains its staff.  Independent business will invest in new markets and above all, it tends to innovate, which is essential in a global market when our own cost base is higher than competitor economies.  

Over 24 million people are employed by the SME market in the UK.... most of them doing a bloody good job, working hard and restoring our economy after the last Government raped it.  


Yes!  Clap.  I work with/in SME's and it's bloody hard work but a huge sense of achievement when you can take an idea and within a couple of years be employing, in one case, 9 people.

Not sure what this has to do with being posh and sailing though!




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So what if Starbucks threatens to pull out of the UK in totality?  That's a b**locks threat... there's a market for coffee shops and they'd want their slice, even if they were made to pay Corp Tax.  But if those Starbucks shut down then independent coffee shops would spring up- picking up the lost labour, contributing more to local and national economics and almost certainly adding a bit of something interesting to the typical bland high street location occupied by that regal green bitch. 

Independent business is what drives the backbone of our economy... it pays its taxes, it employs to grow, it uses specialised resources when needed and it trains its staff.  Independent business will invest in new markets and above all, it tends to innovate, which is essential in a global market when our own cost base is higher than competitor economies.  

Trouble is almost all Starbucks are franchises; they are tax paying UK SMEs, typically owner managers who pay corporation tax, income tax and plenty of NI as do all their staff.

It is the franchise company Starbucks who don't pay tax ... boycotting Starbucks just hurts 1000s of UK SMEs ....

It is not a simple fix ...

Personally I think we should just scrap corporation tax and tax individuals ... taxing something as abstract as a company that only exists on paper and that can be shifted over boarders easily is a waste of time; the big outfits don't pay it so just give up and tax people instead ... people have homes and (usually) don't go off to live in some odd place to avoid tax ...
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