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    Posted: 19 Nov 13 at 1:29pm
Certainly not a career change - and like loads of people these days, not sure i am capable of fully retiring! And anyone who does stuff for their club knows how that soaks time as well.....
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Originally posted by Nick Peters

yeh, forgot about that, Jim, actually I think its packing a boat for Miami while they are sailing in Rio.....and she still doesn't load the dishwasher.....


Sounds like the ultimate Trolley Dolly job to me! Is this retirement, then Nick, or a career change?
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Originally posted by fab100



And as for James's stirring about sharing a start across 8.4s and 10.2s, we shared a course with 200s 400s, 500s and 800s. 


Hey, your class pre-release said it like it actually meant something, opening paragraph if you care to check.... 

not my fault the thread got bumped and you guys got to tell us all how great the boat is again.    LOL
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Well I get busy and work for a while then login and find the usual nonsense about the 100 re-appearing here and on the thread about Vareos. 

I've been campaigning the 100 at 78kg this year. I use the 8.4 on the circuit and my results have been as competitive as I would expect them to be. Do I find the boat unacceptably hard work upwind. Nope. It's no harder work than the laser, a 200, lark or any other sitting out boat. But, as Nick says, it is the most comfortable by a country mile.

At the club, Frensham, i use a 10.2, even if its stupid windy. We sail around the cans, all sorts of odd angles and I am competitive against the Phantoms, where upwind they do have a slight edge but downwind, I wave them goodbye.  Single sail reaches used to a struggle. Then I engaged brain, sat on the transom and pulled the plate 3/4 up and it's not an issue any more. I'd say I am now at least as competitive in it as I would be in my Laser or 200

So is the boat badly configured or designed? Is it fundamentally flawed cos it cannot be sailed upwind sensibly? B*ll*cks it is. Is it flipping good fun to sail, RTC and at events? Damn right. Has it rewarded perseverance and practice. Yup, but no surprise there, that's exactly how it should be.

Oh, and there remains a fantastic, friendly spirit in the class.

Finally, I think the highest sail number at Datchet was 488. Approx 100 boats a year does not sound too bad to me.

And as for James's stirring about sharing a start across 8.4s and 10.2s, we shared a course with 200s 400s, 500s and 800s. As it was, the OOD did a great job turning the races around. Give it a rest.

As to 7.4s, unless you are under 11 stone, just hang in there with the 8.4 and pull the strings on harder. 
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yeh, forgot about that, Jim, actually I think its packing a boat for Miami while they are sailing in Rio.....and she still doesn't load the dishwasher.....
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Have to agree with Nick here.  I'm very average, and took me 2 seasons to get the hang of it, but improving my upwind technique and fitness, wellying the downhaul, combined with using the 10.2 so you don't feel the need for the kite on reaches, has worked for me, whilst I watched others give up.

I think 400 is a good comparison. An average crew double-handed crew, inexperienced with assys, would struggle in a 400 in F4+, I think we would all expect that, so no surprises that the same thing is true in the 100, it takes time to get right, and a bit of fitness...especially to get back in.
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Originally posted by Nick Peters

enjoying a bit of spare time,

Aren't you supposed to be packing boats for Brazil and goodness knows what judging by what I hear from Nicola's family?
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Agree with Getafix, and Ruscoe until his final paragraph. The RS100 was always going to be 6ft wide, with sufficient bouyancy and sail area to be a weapon in the light - which it is. The rig - and particularly the gnav system is geared around massive de-powering potential. and do not be shy with the downhaul. Another key point (actually reinforced by sailing a Solo - another fairly overpowered boat with a big centreboard) is to raise the board as soon as it "staggers" (another reason why the 100 has the board controls lead to the side), and ease the main. Do these things and hike hard (made easier by in my view the most comfortable hike around), and you can hang on to the shirt tails of a 400, not bad for a 6ft wide singlehander.

By the way, no longer a Director of RS, enjoying a bit of spare time, putting some effort into the club and sailing more, but missing the boys and atmosphere back at base!
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I agree with Getafix, you should try all the boats you are interested in before buying.  Any retailer worth their salt will have access to a demo boat of sorts.
 
As for Hiking hard, i dont get what the fuss is all about?   Sailing is a physical sport.  Its man/woman against wind and water.  Its no different to any sport.  I want to go faster I need to work harder.  If i want to get up a hill faster on my bike, then i try harder.  If i want to run faster....
 
As with everything else in life, you get what you put in.  Its no coincidence that the fastest sailors are the fitest people on the water.  The D1 is a beamy brute, but be under no illusion that you dont have to hike.  Sure you can get it round the course with your ass plonked on the wing, but to go as fast as the quick boys you need to 'Give it some salad'
 
I guess the main argument is around a boat missing its design brief and being too narrow for its sail area and as such you have to bust you banjo to get any kind of performance.  For me there is one answer, try them all on extended demos and answer for yourself. or use forums to understand owners opinions, but take them with a pinch of salt.

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Originally posted by Vronny

Getting back to the topic of RS100s . . . . . !

OK, so there's a general view that upwind the RS100 is hard work, even with the 8.4 rig. But does anyone know how well the 7.4 sail works? You've got the same size spinnaker so the downwind stuff will still be exciting but perhaps the 7.4 sail can get you upwind without so much pain. I haven't seen the 7.4 rig. Does it look ok?

It's as "hard work" as you wish to make it.  Simple as that.

You can hang & hope if you want, but it won't get you to the WW mark any quicker in a 100 than it will in any other hiking SH.  FWIW, as a completely biased happy owner, it's a whole lot more comfortable to hike and play the sheet & kicker on than the other hiking SH's I know of... Lasers, Solo, Finn, Blaze, Phantom, all of which I needed hiking pads / shorts to race in.

Try the boats you are interested in.  Pay lip service to what is posted here.

If you can't arrange a test sail easily, ask yourself if that's the kind of class you want to move into.
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