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    Posted: 18 Nov 13 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by Vronny

Getting back to the topic of RS100s . . . . . !

OK, so there's a general view that upwind the RS100 is hard work, even with the 8.4 rig. But does anyone know how well the 7.4 sail works? You've got the same size spinnaker so the downwind stuff will still be exciting but perhaps the 7.4 sail can get you upwind without so much pain. I haven't seen the 7.4 rig. Does it look ok?


Looking at the Rs100's I've sailed against, I would say where they struggle in our PY fleet is not upwind but on reaches. I would guess that making the main even smaller would worsen the tendency to hang on to the kite on marginal legs as the main alone would be too little power?
Obviously if you sail at some sort of W/L nirvana club it will be different from our FYC courses.....
I've only seen one 7.4 rigged, it looked very flat, so the power ratio may be more than just the reduction in area so to speak.
On a beat, our RS100's are starting to look menacing at times, particularly in force 2/3. These boats seem to be a bit of a culture shock for their owners, but they are enjoying the challenge I think!
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Best advice is to try one Vronny...  I guess it can be no worse than a 4.7 on a Laser.  Maybe Hanna is still following this thread and would comment???



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Getting back to the topic of RS100s . . . . . !

OK, so there's a general view that upwind the RS100 is hard work, even with the 8.4 rig. But does anyone know how well the 7.4 sail works? You've got the same size spinnaker so the downwind stuff will still be exciting but perhaps the 7.4 sail can get you upwind without so much pain. I haven't seen the 7.4 rig. Does it look ok?
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LOL  I know what you mean.... the trick is apparently sail a longboard with a centreboard, or NEVER sail out back for very long unless it's to get upwind!!!
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by yellowwelly

An entire industry is built in the Alps on lifts and cable cars to take people up the hill.  Much as it's great fun to ski or board back down again, not many of us would bother if we had to trudge up the mountain each time to do it.     


The trouble with upwind tows is that the wind keeps moving around where as the mountains stay in the same place making building the infrastructure easier ...

I believe some kitesurfing guys go in for long downwinds and just get a mate to collect them all in a van further down the coast ... bit easier when you can put all your kit in a big bag ...

Perhaps the inflatable dinghy has legs after all ...




I fondly remember the days of doing a 4 mile downwind reach on boards. However I used to sail it upwind and would have gladly excepted a lift instead.
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well, thanks AC for one thing.... I will not be so snooty about cats again, nor will I assume that fast, powerful cats can't offer exciting close racing.  In fact, having looked into A-Classes a bit more, I can quite see why a fleet of them at Rutland is emerging.  
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by yellowwelly

An entire industry is built in the Alps on lifts and cable cars to take people up the hill.  Much as it's great fun to ski or board back down again, not many of us would bother if we had to trudge up the mountain each time to do it.     


The trouble with upwind tows is that the wind keeps moving around where as the mountains stay in the same place making building the infrastructure easier ...

I believe some kitesurfing guys go in for long downwinds and just get a mate to collect them all in a van further down the coast ... bit easier when you can put all your kit in a big bag ...

Perhaps the inflatable dinghy has legs after all ...



or here's another solution- enough power to weight to make the uphill (almost) as much fun  Wink  (just need to add stabilisers for muppets)

Ah ... I believe that is called a trapeze ... (or a cat Confused)
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by yellowwelly

An entire industry is built in the Alps on lifts and cable cars to take people up the hill.  Much as it's great fun to ski or board back down again, not many of us would bother if we had to trudge up the mountain each time to do it.     


The trouble with upwind tows is that the wind keeps moving around where as the mountains stay in the same place making building the infrastructure easier ...

I believe some kitesurfing guys go in for long downwinds and just get a mate to collect them all in a van further down the coast ... bit easier when you can put all your kit in a big bag ...

Perhaps the inflatable dinghy has legs after all ...



or here's another solution- enough power to weight to make the uphill (almost) as much fun  Wink  (just need to add stabilisers for muppets)
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

An entire industry is built in the Alps on lifts and cable cars to take people up the hill.  Much as it's great fun to ski or board back down again, not many of us would bother if we had to trudge up the mountain each time to do it.     


The trouble with upwind tows is that the wind keeps moving around where as the mountains stay in the same place making building the infrastructure easier ...

I believe some kitesurfing guys go in for long downwinds and just get a mate to collect them all in a van further down the coast ... bit easier when you can put all your kit in a big bag ...

Perhaps the inflatable dinghy has legs after all ...


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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 13 at 10:29am
maybe we should call it the ex RS100 owners thread...

And Jim's right, we have an inbuilt desire to pimp our own classes... for me it's utterly Machiavellian, I want to encourage others so I have someone else to race against and I want to protect my investment- especially on something so new without an established critical mass, then yep, I'd go to more effort and get stuck in where I can.  (With the Solo it's easy.  As long as others keep sailing, especially club racing, then there's a damn good chance they'll end up in a Solo anyway.)

I'm sure a psychologist would add some group theories as well; sense of belonging, tribalism, seeking validation from others approval etc but as Mark Twain said, 'A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval', so at the end of the day, when the RS100 just didn't stack up for us, we simply sold them on- hopefully to someone who it would work out better for.

It's hardly a damning inditement on a highly physical boat, that actually, it was all just a bit too much like hard work for a short reward.  An entire industry is built in the Alps on lifts and cable cars to take people up the hill.  Much as it's great fun to ski or board back down again, not many of us would bother if we had to trudge up the mountain each time to do it.     

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