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    Posted: 05 Nov 13 at 11:16pm
Think Ecosse was looking for info from Icon sailors .... Can some of you divert the PY, 59er, RS400 elsewhere. Big smile It dragging down the tone of the place!
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

I've not had a close look at an Icon, but why wouldn't a deck stepped mast be suitable for trapping off? Twas fine on the Laser II back in the day.


You know what, I really don't know, it just looks wrong and what looks wrong very often is.
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I've not had a close look at an Icon, but why wouldn't a deck stepped mast be suitable for trapping off? Twas fine on the Laser II back in the day.

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Originally posted by mongrel

GRF, on the other thread you said -  "So a boat with fewer opportnity for boat handling an kite mare errors would be good, ninety percent of our problems last year were equipment issues of one description or another, hence wanting a simple layout like the Icon, that and the heavy lifting we're both done with."
If this is the case, I really think you should sail it as an Icon for a while.  Keep the ideas/developments coming thru' the winter, then if you really need to add the weight & complexity of a kite do it next winter.


Yes the problem is, rigging it as an icon from the get go means I have to have that deck stepped mast, which I don't think would be suitable for trapping off at a later date, I very nearly bought Thunder Roads icon, but my funds currently don't stretch to two of them and I really really think it has great potential with a small kite, especially if I can persuade all around me that a symmetric asymmetric would work.

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GRF, on the other thread you said -  "So a boat with fewer opportnity for boat handling an kite mare errors would be good, ninety percent of our problems last year were equipment issues of one description or another, hence wanting a simple layout like the Icon, that and the heavy lifting we're both done with."
If this is the case, I really think you should sail it as an Icon for a while.  Keep the ideas/developments coming thru' the winter, then if you really need to add the weight & complexity of a kite do it next winter.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by Timmus

its a damn shame the 59er didnt work out in UK, it looks a good boat.



and the kite is how big? I don't think Mrs atC would go near it.


Yep, that kite would be a handful round the cans on reaching legs in anything other than lighter winds.

The kite on the 59er will be fine on W/L courses.   As is a B14.     You've gotta get your mind set  into proper asymmetric sailing and not compromise boats that can do both round the cans and W/L.
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i´d say something in real Bavarian about the size of those ahem that she´s carrying... BTW, she would be an average ´night out´... Tongue Clap
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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

 Come and try one in Bavaria - there´s also good beer here atC!

you can even keep your rooster hikers on down the pub and fit right in like a local….
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by Timmus

its a damn shame the 59er didnt work out in UK, it looks a good boat.



I think I would have exactly the same problem as the seller on Apollo Duck.
The RS400 looks vaguely boat like and wives can be persuaded into crewing them. That looks skiffier than your average skiff and the kite is how big? I don't think Mrs atC would go near it.

THe real test is to have a go. Fully rigged they weigh 106 kg. (not much). The very narrow waterline means that they are easily driven, which is why they can make do with only 16 SQM working sail area upwind and downwind the 23 SQM makes them drive quite well. They also have a linear drag coefficient, further reducing the sheet load and don´t balk and squat (i.e. there is no marginal planing). The hull has also quite a generous rocker, meaning weight can be carried and it´s not so fore-aft trim dependent. Nice boat. Shame there aren´t more around. It´s more to do with marketing strategy. Ovingtons were producing the B14 at the time and there was not enough room in the niche to market two skiffs, especially from the same manufacturer... And the issues with the trapeze. Although an option on the  B14 was to put one on too. Come and try one in Bavaria - there´s also good beer here atC!
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by iGRF

Yes and no, we can do that in the Alto when course and condition suit, but you couldn't put the Alto on a small lake like the Redoubt.
Our races tend to be Contender & MPS dominated and the boys in the Merlin also win a lot, not always just on handicap, they are no slouch as a team that reels you in and punishes mistakes.
So a boat with fewer opportnity for boat handling an kite mare errors would be good, ninety percent of our problems last year were equipment issues of one description or another, hence wanting a simple layout like the Icon, that and the heavy lifting we're both done with.

Ok ... so why not just go with a 59er with the trapeze on ... it would save you a whole heap of trouble trying to fit a kite to the Icon and probably be a lot cheaper & less agro ...

Here is one for £2.5k


As for your small lake if the Miracle is complaining about running out of space then I think your invention will not be suited/doomed ...

I love the fact the URL says 'barges'...
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