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    Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 9:16am
I just checked the ISAF regulations.

1) It seems no longer necessary to appoint an IJ, given ISAF permission. Quite right too IMO, bearing in mind events where an IJ has had nothing to do except get bored.
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25.2.5 The World Championship right granted in Regulation 25.2.1 may be open, or may be restricted on the basis of gender or age. All ISAF Classes may also award the following subsidiary World Championship titles:
(a) one Women’s World Champion title
(b) one Youth World Champion title (which may be on the basis of gender), where youth crews are so defined by the Class.
(c) one further World Champion title on the basis of gender, age or discipline.

25.2.6 Those competing for a subsidiary World Championship shall race as a separate fleet. The number of participating entries in this fleet shall meet or exceed the number of entries shown in the table in regulation 10.4(b), and the fleet shall include entries from more than
one continent.

10.4.b requires (for boats under 6m) 30 boats from 5 countries and 2 continents (these are relaxed for bigger boats).
10.4.b also includes
If a Class has failed to meet this requirement for two of their last three World Championships, it may only call its next such event a World Championships and award World Champion titles if the participation levels at that event meet this requirement.

So as far as I can see there is (rather to my surprise) nothing wrong with the RS100 having two separate World champions this time, provided one (presumably the small rig) is called a subsidiary, and also (assuming permission) nothing wrong with them not having an IJ. However unless they can ramp up turnouts appreciably they may well have problems in future maintaining the right to hold such events.
They also need to be very grateful to their one non-European competitor!!

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Its amusing that, if (big IF he says again) I read the regulations correctly then with an entry for the whole event of 38 boats from 6(I think) nations on two continents the whole event just scrapes into the regulations, and with 31 boats from 6 Nations and two continents the "subsidiary" worlds for the small rig just scrapes in, but the supposedly main world championships doesn't seem to be required to hit the 30/5/2 regulation. Not, I suspect what was intended! I wonder if there'll be a little rewriting of the regs coming up?


Edited by JimC - 07 Oct 13 at 10:01am
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Originally posted by JimC

 

25.2.6 Those competing for a subsidiary World Championship shall race as a separate fleet. The number of participating entries in this fleet shall meet or exceed the number of entries shown in the table in regulation 10.4(b), and the fleet shall include entries from more than
one continent.

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that bit's quite odd reading.... but it looks like we were wrong, it's not a noddy world championship....

damn, wish I still had a boat and could have gone... Top 8 guaranteed in an Approved ISAF Worlds...  LOL
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Originally posted by JimC

They also need to be very grateful to their one non-European competitor!!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 9:49am
Originally posted by yellowwelly

Originally posted by JimC

They also need to be very grateful to their one non-European competitor!!



A convenient ex-pat?

So the 10.2 winner will be "the" world champ and the 8.4 will be the subsidiary champ based on "discipline" ....


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We had used the exception for having no IJ for a couple of Worlds in the B14s, but this year were fortunate to get sponsorship to cover their costs. They promptly set about causing mild chaos with their interpretation of Rule 42 as applied to boats surfing down waves...
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I guess it would be cadged together like that, although I'm not sure the chaps in the girlie rig will appreciate their title being seen as the subsidiary... especially as, objectively looking at it, it's their numbers which are contributing the most to meet the overall requirements of 30 boats.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 12:25pm
less of the 'girlie rig' guff please, if you're not 100kg+ or 6ft + the 8.4m sail is perfectly adequate for getting the boat around a course and leaving a long-lasting grin
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by getafix

less of the 'girlie rig' guff please, if you're not 100kg+ or 6ft + the 8.4m sail is perfectly adequate for getting the boat around a course and leaving a long-lasting grin

not adequate enough to race mano-a-mano against the proper ISAF class though?   Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 12:55pm
Think the RS100 bashing is getting a bit tedious folks, especially when it extends to about three simultaneous topics...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 13 at 1:08pm
it's not bashing- it's questioning with dry humour the decisions the class is taking / making.  

It's a new class, one that represents over £2.4m* of real punter investment into 'dinghy development' over the past 3 years or so.  Nothing else has seemingly come close to that level of market acceptance from launch for as long as I can remember- not as long as some admittedly.  But conversely there seems to be a fairly high turnover of owners- I've nothing to benchmark that gut feel to, but a look at who's sailing them now verses who was in the first traunch doesn't show much cross over.  Is that 'normal'... I dunno, but numbers are down- both at the nationals and the worlds, so going in the right direction given the level of investment? Even a quick look through the club results of Hayling & Datchet you'd see the activity has a marked drop off from a year or so ago.  They both had a proper fleet of them didn't they?

Anyway, I don't think anyone is bashing it in a conventional sailing forum '4 knot sh*tbox' rinse-down, and I don't want to take anything away from the World Champ- although it's interesting to note that he's made a comment about getting the 8.4 next time.

(conservative fag pack estimate- £8k x 300 private new sale boats)


Edited by yellowwelly - 07 Oct 13 at 2:07pm
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