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    Posted: 05 Aug 13 at 1:46pm
But if boat B has the ability to complete its 'Crash gybe' then surely it had time and oportunity to complete the manovure?  The fact the kite was damaged may be for a number of reasons.  How can this be proved to be boats A's faultif there was no contact?

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If a boat KNOWS she broke a rule she MUST take a penalty (Basic Principles - Sportsmanship and the Rules [not a rule, by the way])

If she knows she broke rule and in the incident, caused serious damage or injury, her penalty shall be to retire, that is she cannot take a turns or scoring penalty (rule 44.1( b ).

If a boat does not KNOW that she broke a rule she is under no obligation to take any penalty, and it is up to another boat or a race or protest committee to make a valid protest if they wish the boat to be penalised (rules 64.1 and A5)
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Should S have to retire for causing serious damage? Or is that only the case in a collision?
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Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

Yes.

Case 99 seems to be the nearest in the casebook.
 
As Luke says.
 
Being out of control does not exonerate a boat from its obligations.
Whilst there may not have been any physical contact between the two boats, for P to undertake an uncontrolled crash gybe and in doing so damaging its spinnaker to avoid a collision indicates that S' change of course did not give P sufficient opportunity to keep clear in the context of the rules.

Addendum; Rule 15 / rule 16.1 would apply.


Edited by Andymac - 05 Aug 13 at 11:01am
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Yes.

Case 99 seems to be the nearest in the casebook.
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Boat A is on port tack heading directly downwind under Spinnaker.

Boat B is also on port tack and heading downwind under Spinnaker.

Boat B approaches Boat A from astern and more than 2 boat lengths to leeward.  She establishes an overlap and closes on Boat A.

Boat A is ready to keep clear of Boat B, however she suddenly broaches and crash gybes onto Starboard.  She is out of control throughout the broach and at one point looks like she is about to T-bone Boat B.  Boat B crash gybes to avoid the collision and in the process damages her spinnaker.

Boat B protests Boat A for not giving her the time and opportunity to stay clear when gybing onto Starboard.

Boat A does not deny any of the facts but simply states that she was out of control.

Would Boat B win the protest?

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