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    Posted: 05 Jul 13 at 3:03pm
Maybe sailing is less popular because we no longer have to wear giant yellow lifejackets with matching yellow waterproofs?
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Originally posted by transient

Crikey we even had a breakaway SC down this neck of the woods call Artisans SC. 

haha... the google story is interesting... 'jackets and ties in the yacht club bar' mentality got a rude awakening then.


back in the good ol' days:


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Originally posted by yellowwelly

yep my wife thinks they all look the same too...even the lilac one looks the same as that damned out of class cherub, apart from the lilac of course.
 
You're lucky then, if you always stick to the same colour scheme, your wife need never know that you've spent more money on another new boat! Wink
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The Mirror and the like (me thinks) had the dominant tag "Cheap and easy to build" or a "Boat for the lower classes". Some probably viewed them as beginners boats but the movement was driven by  a social revolution, those boats had the weight of an uprising behind them, nothing like that will happen soon......Crikey we even had a breakaway SC down this neck of the woods call Artisans SC. 
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The dinghy boom was driven by "beginner's boats". The Mirror, the GP14 - just the first 2 to spring to mind - could take you from 1st steps to racing at the very highest level against the best sailors in the country, and even have international competition. The odd thing is, they still can, but they are now unfashionable, and so beginners are not encouraged to sail them. Can any "recently designed" class which they are now encouraged to sail do the same?As far as I can see, the only newish 2 person adult class where you can both learn to sail in comfort and then go race to a high standard is the 2000. The RS 200 and 400 are not for a first time sailor, and none of the bigger rotomoulded  boats have a proper race circuit, as far as I'm aware.

There must be boats I'm missing, though.
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Originally posted by transient

....and as I said earlier, as soon as a boat gets the tag "Beginners Boat" no individual would touch it with a barge pole.

....can you imaging the derision it would receive either here or on SA.


Indeed,
perhaps what we need is aspirational boats, and a pathway toward them?

Or perhaps we are going about this the wrong way altogether?
Perhaps we need inspirational events, not equipment.

People talk about 'riding from London to Brighton' or 'doing the London Marathon' they don't talk about 'riding my raleigh' or 'running in my Nikes'.

In yachts, people clearly want to take part in the RTI, most of them don't appear too fussy about what in.
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Originally posted by transient


....can you imaging the derision it would receive ... on SA.

not for much longer...




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....and as I said earlier, as soon as a boat gets the tag "Beginners Boat" no individual would touch it with a barge pole.

....can you imaging the derision it would receive either here or on SA.
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I do agree with you, and I'm not suggesting superlight weight construction at all.  But having pulled a L2K around (on my own) once, I did think, gawd... does it need to be quite this heavy?  Would shaving 20 -30, maybe 40 kags off it thorough a Mk2 project make a difference?  I believe a modest improvement could be good. 
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

The L2K could be on that list if it did the future proofing thing of knocking the weight right down

But is that really appropriate for an entry level/general purpose boat? Few people are more pro light weight than I am, and I have no problems with owning a boat that's going to dent like crazy if you handle it carelessly. But a boat for the entry level/general purpose family role needs to be able to put up with a good deal of casual handling. I've been very influenced by watching a couple (in both senses) of my ex trainees get into a major row about the first scratch on a new boat. I don't want to see people having disagreements like that... Boats like that also need to be relatively cheap.

So you've got to hit a delicate compromise between weight, durability and cost: the usual pick any two because you can't have all three... You could hit durability and weight with a Kevlar/medium density foam/carbon sandwich RS2000 or whatever its going to be called, but the cost would be horrendous.

I think we need another jump in materials for the entry level/family boats in order to permit lighter craft, but I don't know where its going to come from. Maybe some sort of multilayer sandwich rotomoulding process, but don't ask me how it could be done...
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