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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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I don't think those organisations are really touching newbies, the links I listed are more likely to be their contact points. High performance probably is the future of elite sailing; if I was 20 somthing and full time I'd want to sail something exciting ... I remember those windsurfers, wooden booms etc ... have not seen one in years, wind surfer racing does not really exist in the UK in any significant numbers bar a few big one-off events. Have you any links to reports of your racing for interest?
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Chris, I guess as far as magazines go, the new has 1) the advantage of not being written to death already, so people will be interested 2) flashy pictures and 3) advertaizing revenue. Triple whammy for a magazine, surely? They are bound to say that new is the future.
Trouble is, people who are new to the sport won't understand, and may well go out and buy a Nacra 17 as their first boat, not realizing it will bite them in the bum, whereas a Dart 16 would have given them the skills needed to handle it, and be more enjoyable to sail as a beginner in the process. Mind, as we are on the Y&Y site, I would say that a while ago, Y&Y ran a fair few features on what to sail if new to sailing, and often run articles about sailing holidays and such, which are usually aimed at inexperienced sailors. But I think we would all get bored with a mag that didn't have articles about mad boats that I wouldn't want to own in a million years, but am glad exist, or boats so expensive that you wonder any sell at all. |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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"Thanks for your post Do Different, it made me :-)
Graham - mechanical engineer - avid rider of KTM Superduke and RS300 - not dead, yet :-p" My Pleasure Koops, what's emoticon for slightly embarrassed smile? I like your style, KTM Superduke, too many ponies for me. Interesting that you ended up with an RS300 and not a Cat. So it's not all about speed, most people are attracted engineers included to sailing by the sensations it generates. Speed alone does not provide good sensations. Edited by Do Different - 28 Jun 13 at 8:57am |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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It's the Windsurfer One Design, an '80s update of the original Windsurfer. While not a dinghy, there's an enormous crossover between dinghy sailors and longboard racers down here and IMHO it's a valid comparison particularly just about everyone in the class has sailed higher-tech boards and boats and yet we're all happy with a lower-tech hull.
I find the switch away from polyethylene construction in boards to be very instructive since it was motivated by the industry aggressively marketing high-performance gear and attacking older stuff. There's some interesting interviews around where kayak manufacturers note how they went from watching all their customers (and lots of other people) get into windsurfing and then drop out of it again when windsurfing went high tech. The collapse of windsurfing also meant that the kayak guys had dealers in need of a product that would sell, and ironically that product (poly beginner's kayaks) was sometimes built with the polyethylene production machinery and staff that windsurfer factories had discarded when they went on the fatal "everyone wants high tech" kamikazi course.
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Koops,
But we've had a few near misses in the 300 haven't we? (And I do seem to recall you spent a season or two in a Styx Ferry Class....)
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Koops ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 01 Mar 10 Location: Wiltshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 52 |
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Thanks for your post Do Different, it made me :-)
Graham - mechanical engineer - avid rider of KTM Superduke and RS300 - not dead, yet :-p |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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I was also a late entrant to the sport, very late 30s. I was introduced to a sea sailing Club and sort of picked it up as I went along, crewing for a season in Wayfarers.
I will say although I mostly agree with Winging It there is an element of iGRF that I agree with even if not to his extreme with regard to lighter boats. My sailing did not really come alive until I got a Laser. To be honest I always felt the size and weight of the Wayfarer to be in some ways intimidating in that my input did not seem to have a great effect. Although a little challenging to begin with the Laser was a revelation with it's responsiveness and although lively never felt intimidating. Of course it is different for all but I came from a background of riding ponies in my youth and the (to me) dead feel of the Wayfarer was a worry, perhaps others coming from a more mechanical background cars, bikes need their craft to feel less alive.
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Sounds to me like EJ could be voicing a fairly representative view of the new entrant to our sport.
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E.J. ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 184 |
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But as winging it has said numerous time the majority don't want that. Having come into sailing later than my teens the thing I remember wanting to do after completing the basic courses was 'join in'. The draw was not the thrill of the top end stuff; it was just the beauty of sail on water. For me this meant joining the back of the most popular fleet; the Laser. I just want to sail what other were. Luckily and unsurprisingly the class fleets at clubs are of the Solo/laser/200 ilk, Big fleets of mustos/moths/14s are rarer and so the route is fairly clear. In this way the club system should be seen as a positive, I certainly found it to be the best part.
It would be good have seen a massive fleet of easy to sail, quick and sexy boats that beginner can use; fairly impossible to design, but aspirational all the same. I suppose a gentleman coming from the top end of a thrilling water sport such as windsurfing will have a different view of 'entry level' to someone such as me who can just about swim, to me the Laser appeared to be the pinnacle of boat perfection as I had no context. Context is the key, most adults coming into the sport will not be aware of what 20+ knots in control feels like, those that do might need more excitement than a laser 2000. I hope one day that the aspirational entry level dinghy that iGRF believes in does exists, but I fear that the path to that day has many incremental stages that will frustrate and ultimately it wont seem that great because the top end will be even further away. |
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