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    Posted: 17 Jun 13 at 3:39pm
If your going downwind and need to loose power then sheeting in can work but if your on a tight reach your only option is to ease the sheet and curl the luff or things just get worse.

I agree loosing the main does make the helm worse but you should only be doing it for short periods... if you need to sail the whole leg like that then your better off sending it lower and faster then dropping the kite to fetch back up to the mark when the time comes. You sail further but go much faster 

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There it is, inflatable foot kites.. Quick somebody chuck cold water it looks too obvious..
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If I dump everything then it's massive bear away and lee helm, I need some main to balance and my main depowers nicely anyway. No -ones answered the question sheet it in really hard or let it go further forward?

I don't want to stop here I still want to keep the power on I just don't want the bloody boat up on its ear with water gushing over the gunwales and I want to head up a nats dick now and again, strikes me these kite ballooney things need some structure or other so they can be luffed..

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do those suggesting pinning the kite in and dumping the main work for mast makers/suppliers?
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Not quite answering the question but depower everything else first. Kicker right off and ease the main and make sure your jib is well out. I always find a flapping jib is faster than one that is to tight.

Then I tend to start curling the spinni as a last resort... if I still cant hold it then its to tight and either bear away and go with it or just drop it and two sail.

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Originally posted by iGRF

 I'm hiking like an RS100 Biatch ..


there's your problem... you're probably supporting half your bodyweight through the mainsheet, powering it on.  

Sit in a bit, breath, let the main out.  You weigh f**k all, as if you hiking will make that much difference???

get your crew to pin the kite, and let the white sails go if necessary.  Of course it's probably faster to ditch the kite and white sail it anyway... I remember a tight reach on a 505 once under white sail only... probably the fastest I've ever gone on a dinghy, it certainly felt it.

I assume of course you've cranked the outhaul and cunningham on harder than Charlie Sheen on crack in Hotshots (Part DEUX) and  raised the plate a bit?

(Of course, all you've actually done is highlight why asymmetrics are crap for RTC racing.  A fireball would eat it.)


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The 18' skiffs in Sydney seem to be quite happy to rag their kites for miles to reach a mark. I don't know how they do it. When our kite collapses my heart rate spikes and I shout at the crew for being so negligent. 

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Where is the CB in all of this?

Ease the kite would seem about right. 
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Let the air out of the kite is my instinctive response to this.
Dumping your wingwang (you pervert) would not be the way ahead IMHO.
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Well we find total inversion seems to do the job when mark rounding..

I have a new crew, who is being advised by a sym sailor and some of the advice appears contrary to what I would have suggested so I just need to know I'm not going mad..

So the scenario, we're too light anyway, it's blowing 4-5 three sail reach can't quite keep the nose above the mark, playing the waves as best I can (gain speed down harden along the troughs) I'm hiking like an RS100 Biatch more than I think I've ever hiked a bloody single hander, he's on tippy toes flat wiring and talking about letting the kite go forward, which to my mind is more likely to power it up and give me even more lee helm.

My normal reaction had I been able to get in the boat would be to dump the wingwang to leeward for starters then rack the kite hard in under the jib...

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