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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Agree getafix - knowing when NOT to put the kite up is a very important thing to learn. I guess if I ever go down the Vareo route I'll have to learn that skill. Meanwhile, still trying to get it right with just the one sail.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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For me, part of the appeal of the 100 is that it rewards decent technique and a bit of practice without the kite up, every bit as much as it will punish you if you don't get it right with the kite up, going quick RTC is all about maxing speed and course between marks (with tide 'n all) kite or no kite, really looking forward to this weekend!
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Even if a kite boosts your downwind speed hugely, it can only make so much difference to your race time, unless there is tide involved. Say a kiteless B14 went up and downwind at 8 knots, while the kite took it up to 16knots VMG. Upwind VMG is about 6 knots, so a mile beat takes 10 minutes. Kiteless mile run 7.5 minutes, with kite 3.25 minutes. So you'd be lapped in a four lap race, just! Hardly 'no time'. |
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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And that pretty much ties in with the Asymmetric Canoe being 4% quicker than the (older, one design) Int Canoe with no kite. Just feels 95% slower ! I remember, if you lost the use of the kite in a B14, you were totally cream crackered. You'd be lapped in no time. |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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Couldn't agree more with that. Choose the boat for the location you plan to emphasise your desired sailing- if that's class open meetings, then these asymmetric dinghies are viable, if its can bashing at Royston Vesey Pond for the Strange Rubber People, forget it. |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Such is PY. An N12 is a highly developed machine with a carbon rig and a lot of righting power. I think it's a dodgy comparison for a low tech smod like the RS200. From what I see of RS100's, they struggle with the kite on anything except a run or a pretty broad reach. They are quite quick gybing down a dead run, but at a relative disadvantage on a leg where an RS400 or L4000 can just carry the kite. The people I know who sail them are enjoying the challenge and improving, so I suspect there is more performance to be found? I would agree 'lower performance asy's' are challenged compared to a proper kite, but that comparison is not helpful in singlehanders. Kites often do surprising little to PY, I've proved that by breaking the halyard in my 400 and only being about 5% slower over the race, (but 95% less amused!) Neptune claims to sail nearly down the true wind in his MPS. I think that is stretching it a bit, but if you get the shifts right, sailing very close the mean true wind is often possible. It seems to me that the RS100 and D-one fan clubs ought to ease up on the rivalry and promote the asy/hiking/singlehander genre? Perhaps try to say something nice about vareos even? :-) It reminds me of the Contender boys getting very defensive when the RS600 looked a threat. If anything the contender is stronger now than it was then? |
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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Yes, that would be ideal. However, unless one does the open circuit, club racing is all that's on offer. And a great deal of that is average lap time, round the cans, handicap racing. Even in the bigger clubs. And some of the best attended club races are the mid week evening series. This is where, if club racing is one's agenda, a more versatile, round the cans boat is a better and less frustrating choice for the sailing year. |
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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Boatshed its all about racing against similar boats, a moth is shorter and with less sail than them all, quick though!
nobody who buys an asymmetric buys it to go quick dead down wind, they bought it because they were probably bored of that, wanted to come in with a dirty big smile on their faces having planed about the course. I reckon the rs100 sails pretty deep with the kite up, its all about righting moment, we sail higher in the trapeze versions generally, but also in enough wind we are travelling pretty much dead down the true wind.
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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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Another major advantage of the unstayed rig as any Finn sailor will tell you is that it makes capsize recovery, "parking", launching and recovery much easier ... the rig can be allowed to "flag" downwind. Many benefits of an unstayed mast; does mean you need a good quality mast though ...
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