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Moet ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 12 May 13 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 21 |
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I finally got an opportunity to talk to someone in the teaching office and expressed my disappointment at the course and that I didn't feel competent when I was expecting to do so at the end of the course. The NZ ones are shorter than the RYA ones and they do this because the price of the RYA accredted ones are much higher here than what they think most NZers will pay. I told him that I had been thinkign about doing one of the RYA ones because I wasn't learning, that the guy students took over and that as a result there were things that I hadn't even done, let alone learned to do. I got a good hearing and he has given me 3 free sessions and is going to speak to my teacher (I have one 8 hour day left to go) about my concerns. So at least they listened and have taken some steps to help me get to competency. I'll see how this goes before I chuck it in.
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Hi Moet,
That sounds like progress then. At least they have bothered to listen and take some action. Let's hope there is an improvement from the instructor and that you get to make some progress. Good luck |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Good for you. Always best to talk over things and give feed back. Any good business is happy to know what there customers actually feel.
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Moet ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 12 May 13 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 21 |
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Thanks Pierre and Jack. The instructor also rang - was probably told to - and said things such as "well we like people to do sailing hours in between levels 1 and 2" and I said that if that was so then they shouldn't take people in to level 2 without requiring them to do a certain number of hours and if they didn't do that then it was their responsibility to manage that. He also said that there is always a range of abilities and of course I agreed but again that was their concern as teachers etc. Anyway, he said "now that I know" he said he would take account of it. I also said it wasn't enough to jsut put someone on a task such as keyboards, but that they had to say what was required at that job and yes it had been covered before but learning involves repetition and refreshing etc. It almost seems as if he thinks that if he has told me once then I am supposed to be an expert at the task. I can't believe this has been so difficult. I can't also believe that I have been so assertive about "what I expect as a customer". Go me!
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Hi Moët... Here are a couple of contacts given to me by a very good female yachts woman whos down in NZ... Good to hear from you... I do know of a couple of instructors here in Auckland. I could do it, but as it's not my full time job, I work out rather expensive... There is Suzanne Bourke of Sailing Away school of Sailing, (www.sailingaway.co.nz) or Mike Lannigan of Gulf Wind (www.gulfwind.co.nz) I would suggest for anything over RYA day skipper that she goes with Gulf Wind. Is it RYA stuff she is doing?... I know these are Auckland, sorry. Another suggestion would be to contact Yachting New Zealand and see if they can point you in the direction of a female friendly Wellington instructor. ![]() |
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Moet ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 12 May 13 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 21 |
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Thanks Jack. I had been looking at Gullwind, so that is good. I'm doing the NZ Yachting course not the RYA one currently but it looks to me that the RYA one might be better.
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Moet ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 12 May 13 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 21 |
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so last day of the 4 day course today - one day a week. I don't expect anyone - and you all seem to be blokes - to care much but today pretty well decided me that I wont be a sailor. I have wanted to be so very much and a dream was shattered today. Let me tell you the story of what actually happened. The wind was strong and increasing. The metservice forecast was clear on this. So, mindful of the fact that I have done just 7 days, 3-4 hours each day, all together sailing, there I was in gusts of 45 to 50 knots. Our instructor is a great sailor, no doubt about that, but as a newbie the gusts were, not so much frightening for me as I rather like the intensity of it, but frightening because I don't have the skills to manage these conditions. I was at the helm for a bit and the strength required to keep the helm on course was so extreme that I could only grunt and had to use my feet - because I was holding on with one arm fotr dear life and trying to steer with the other and did not have enough strength. But before this, we did a round of man over board and someone broke the boat hook and the half of it was in the water so we were determined to retrieve it. Some of lay down flat with our arms under the lower life line, and there I was holding on to a stanchion and leaning over to get the boat hook. Then a gust came and it was so strong that I lost my grip and ended up in the water. Thank heaven I had my life jacket on (believe it or not it is not actually required to have them on here in NZ) but we were travelling so fast in the gusts that the water was being forced into my mouth. My nose was stuffed up with whatever and I couldnt breath. I took in a lot fo water, swallowing it. Perhaps surprisingly, I was quite calm, the water was very cold (it is winter here and I reckon the water was 12 deg C) and I had nothing to hold on to. Thankfully an army chap student grabbed hold of me, ordered everyone about and eventually the instructor hove to and the pulled me on board. I was soaked but ok. we went back to the school so I could change and we had lunch. At no point did the instructor ask if I was ok. He didn't give me any words of encouragement. And while I was changing clothes I hear him talking in the room next to me saying that he had never had a man over board in 25 years. So we had lunch and went out again. By this time the winds were even stronger and as I said earlier I was on helm, managing but the force on the boat was so strong that I felt I was pushed to the edge of my strength. It got to a point when it was too much and I was just crying - yes I know a wimp - but possibly a bit of shock from the immersion. I dont think I am a wimp. I have climbed some very high peaks in the world and worked in war zones and am generally quite good at all that blokey stuff. Goodness I can even do maintenance on my car. So there you go. I wanted to learn to sail and enjoy it and all that happened at the end of today was a pathetic looking me in my car bawling my eyes out at the frustration, the anger and the severe kick to my self confidence. As we came in to dock another yacht from the organisation was setting out with an instructor and a student. I may not know much about sailing but I do read the met service reports and things were going to get worse. But out they went and hey, they got into trouble as the winds increased to over 60 knots and when I left the place to come home, that yacht was in serious trouble. Is this how it is in yachting? If so I will never set foot on a yacht again.
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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I really think you should give it ago at a different sailing school. From what you have posted today, to my mind, the sailing school you are attending is showing some serious flaws. Not all sailing schools are made equal. And you shouldn't be put off by the experiences you have had with your current one. There was a sailing school shut down recently in the UK for consistently endangering its pupils and bad practice recently. I say this just to just emphasise that you seem to be experiencing similar levels of bad practice. And you shouldn't let this colour your judgement in totality. No doubt the pupils at that UK school have a distorted view of what sailing is as well. And difficult as it is when viewing a situation from the inside to see that it can and should be different. It really is. Take some time, maybe do a dinghy sailing corse. But do give it another go.
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Absolutely agree with Jack that is the instructor as an issue and not the sailing/sailor.
Not least because he did not immediately heave too/take the pace off the boat once you were over the side. That is a shockingly bad drill. So please do not give up on our beautiful sport....as Daryll says perhaps a dinghy course first.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Let me not sugar coat it. The Insructor is a total idiot and frankly is an accident waiting to happen, going out in anything above 25 knots is testing enough, I've seen grown men reduced to tears in less than thirty knots. I'm not sure what boats you are using, but even if it's some under canvassed lead mine, they had no right to do what they've done, nor expecting you to recover a broken boat hook.
F.uck them off, find another sailing school. They're t**sers. Name and shame. |
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