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    Posted: 25 May 13 at 5:26pm
whats your point 2547?

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Originally posted by r2d2

whats your point 2547?


My point is why does the new rule omit the 7.4? It is a simple question. 

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Oh, OK. I don't know for sure but suspect its just that the proposed new rule just wasnt drafted with quite enough thought. I think it will be revised before acceptance

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By the way is that a (laser) 2000 sail number?

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The original rules simply said "the RS100 maybe raced with either 8.4 or 10.2 sails". 
The 7.4 came along later at the request of very light, or less experienced sailors....was it fundamentally a training or leisure sail or would it develop into a significant entity - there was no master plan. It has proved a quite popular accessory. The class has certainly welcomed any 7.4s to any event with open arms, a good way to gain confidence on the race course. this was done by a SI's event by event.

The new rule change is intended to sort the relationship between 8.4 and 10.2's - the above rule was vague on purpose to see how things evolved: What we know and suspected from day 1 is that a 10.2 with a big guy is generally faster (in some, not all, conditions) than a smaller guy on 8.4. But not by much, hence the 2 sailing together with one set of results most of the time. But the situation did need to be clarified. This rule change was put together after a winter's discussion amongst the class

The new rule I suspect could have been worded more clearly, and will be before going into the rules: The intention of this rule echoed the original vision of the class, and has now been voted in is...

8.4 and 10.2 Classes sail for separate results at championship level, even when starting together.
At RS100 Class Association organised events, when racing for one set of results, PY will be used, and sub 86 kg cannot use 10.2. 
In an 8.4 championship sailors may weigh anything. In a 10.2 championship sailors may weigh anything.
At club level anybody can use anything, but changing rig during a series will constitute a new entry (just like radial / 4.7). This of course is upto the club, but it becomes a simple decision if the club thinks of 8.4 and 10.2 as separate classes.
7.4 will continue to be invited along to race alongside 8.4s using SI change. Maybe this will be formalised into the rules at some point. It may or may not get a PY - thats upto the clubs. 

Having just caught up with this staggering thread, it is clear that either you lot have too much time on your hands or the RS100 committee worded this rule change badly...probably both!!!

Anyway happy sailing to you all,
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Well you boys have sure made things complicated for yourselves with this maybe we are maybe we aren't separate classes stuff... Had the classes been badged as the RS110 and RS108 all that would need to happen would be the announcement of the new RS107 class...

Don't forget RRS87 requires written permission from the CA to change class rules to be displayed on the official noticeboard at events AND that ISAF regulation 10.5(f)states that an ISAF class requires specific permission from ISAF before approving any such changes...

I also note that there's also an interesting irony in that a dramatically undersized sail would be legal in at least the majority of measured rule classes (often though with the restriction that you must use the same sail in every race of an event), but isn't permissable in a SMOD class. I'm not saying that's wrong or right, after all that is the whole point of the SMOD type rule, but I find it mildly amusing in these circumstances.

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There are some very small minded, spiteful little people on here. 
No wonder sailing struggles for new recruits.

Hana.. just read Nick Peters post. Ignore the rest.  Smile

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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 13 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by Pierre

There are some very small minded, spiteful little people on here. 
No wonder sailing struggles for new recruits.

Hana.. just read Nick Peters post. Ignore the rest.  Smile


Pierre,
I don't think JimC (or others) are being small minded or spiteful.
It is better to have these discussions and point out the pitfalls now, rather than after somebody has spent a few days racing and the results are thrown into dispute. That's when it gets personal all too easily.

Personally I don't get the idea of stopping people from using a smaller sail when the wind is up.
Don't they do that mid race if the conditions warrant in the Southport 24 hr race?
But whatever works for the class I suppose.
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It does seem as though people are going round in circles quite a bit... I think it's pretty much accepted by all, including RS, that the proposed rule needs an amendment... I'm pretty sure you/we came to that conclusion a few pages back? 

Ho hum. I'll sail whatever I choose to sail and I won't worry about not being allowed to race. I really don't see it as an issue. I've more important things to worry about... like not sailing in circles on my big open sea today... and if it's really time to ditch the Pro Aqua Fleece and bring out the spray jacket... and where did I put my SPF50 sunblock as the SPF30 isn't going to cut it today (I'm a redhead, I burn)... and what cake will be in the galley today... see, much more important stuff to spend my time worrying about.  Wink
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Originally posted by Hanna

It does seem as though people are going round in circles quite a bit... I think it's pretty much accepted by all, including RS, that the proposed rule needs an amendment... I'm pretty sure you/we came to that conclusion a few pages back? 
Ho hum. I'll sail whatever I choose to sail and I won't worry about not being allowed to race. I really don't see it as an issue. I've more important things to worry about... like not sailing in circles on my big open sea today... and if it's really time to ditch the Pro Aqua Fleece and bring out the spray jacket... and where did I put my SPF50 sunblock as the SPF30 isn't going to cut it today (I'm a redhead, I burn)... and what cake will be in the galley today... see, much more important stuff to spend my time worrying about.  Wink


Yup! That just about sums it up
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 13 at 10:45am
Originally posted by Nick Peters


At club level anybody can use anything ....

Hang on a minute ... most RS100s get sailed at club level on PY.

The various rigs are the weight equalisation system for the class that is now forming separate classes.

Are you advocating that owners should knowingly break their own class rules?

RS100s sailing at club level should observe their class rules just as the rest of us do ...

Originally posted by JimC

Well you boys have sure made things complicated for yourselves ...

Don't forget RRS87 requires written permission from the CA to change class rules to be displayed on the official noticeboard at events AND that ISAF regulation 10.5(f)states that an ISAF class requires specific permission from ISAF before approving any such changes... 

JimC has highlighted the class obligations here ... 

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