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    Posted: 21 May 13 at 3:42pm
cheers Maxi- and for clarity, I do wear a BA for all the dinghy sailing I currently do, and am likely to do in the future.  

The only time I will want to have 'a think about it', would be if I was sailing a trapeze boat again, especially one with a relatively large BWL and 'swimming down' would mean I'm already a meter or so underwater in a capsize entrapment.
      
Personally I wouldn't choose to sail such a boat with someone inexperienced or young enough where they were not responsible for making their own judgement on that too.... so this mitigates the 'do as I say, not as I do' argument for setting the right example in front of kids and newbies.


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Was that a sarky cheers or a serious one????
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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No serious mate- to put some context in about my own choices around BAs
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

Originally posted by 2547

I think there are 3 types of people when it comes to risk ...
Risk ignorant, people with little knowledge or understanding who do stupid things ...
Risk managers, people who understand the risks and make a considered choice
Risk paranoid, people who are so paranoid about the risks that they take all measures regardless about the actual (d)effeteness just to tick the boxes in the case of an issue


The vast majority are in the second camp as risk managers. However there is still interpretation in that. I wouldn't see pondmonkey as risk ignorant but he had weighed up the risks and in his opinion he doesn't need the pfd. Sargesail isn't in the latter and had considered the risks but decided that he wishes to wear the pfd. I don't know many people who do fall in either category 1 or 3 to be honest. The latter are usually people that are scared of being sued without the ability of being able to withstand such a legal action
 
You can recognise members of groups 1 and 3, because they tend to label lots of people as members of the opposite group.
It's a grey scale IMHO.
Some people treat it like a seatbelt in  a car, always wear it by habit.
Others may make an assessment on different days.
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Most of the kids where I grew up learnt about risk in a very practical way. We were left to our own devices for much of the school hols, on our own as a gang. This did on occasion lead to some of kids getting injured, broken legs, arms and wotnot. But generally kids tended to bounce. Some kids just never seemed to learn though, always getting hurt or not taking risks because they were just plain clumsy.

At the risk of sounding like an old fart, many youngsters these days don't tend to get the same learning opportunities.

There is now a medical term for what was called clumsy: Dyspraxia. Some folk just don't process info in the same way

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Originally posted by transient

 
At the risk of sounding like an old fart, many youngsters these days don't tend to get the same learning opportunities.


That is down to the parents being "risk paranoid"

Originally posted by transient

 
There is now a medical term for what was called clumsy: Dyspraxia. Some folk just don't process info in the same way

There seems to be a medical term for every thing now that isn't average.
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There is probably a medical term for "Average", too...
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Originally posted by Rupert

There is probably a medical term for "Average", too...
 
 
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Originally posted by Rupert

There is probably a medical term for "Average", too...

LOL LOL

The main responsibility of sailors is to take the piss out of people using SUPs, windsurfers and jetskis ...
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Kitesurfers surely- why take the piss out of folks who actually do windsurf? You'd probably struggle anyway- they're on the water when dinghyists are in the bar and vice versa- it's a complementary symbiosis so often over looked in the attempting to troll bait.

I've had more time on the water ever this year having toys to play with at both ends of the wind spectrum- so much so that the planned 'new bike' is now just not needed.
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