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    Posted: 17 May 13 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by haroosh

Or it could be the fat boys that the 10.2 was intended for aren't buying it?

they did once... 11 entries in 2010 Nationals.  (9 if you take out RS employees).

Seems the rig is dying on the vine, so I do get 'why' there is a desire from the majority to split, especially if you drill down into 'who's left', but we should ensure this doesn't degenerate into a personal thread.  I have said it's probably the best thing for the class to have just one rig anyway, although I think it's a bit cheeky to bunging up the old big sail when it suits you against your fellow club members.  And of course expecting them to record the results accurately when there could well be 5 delineations of rig format under 'class rules', if the rumours are true. 

And before Clive pipes up that this is only a proposal, surely a class association has better things to be doing than publishing proposals for 'end goals' that have not been mooted in the rigging park, nor have little chance of being voted through by the majority?  


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Or it could be the fat boys that the 10.2 was intended for aren't buying it?
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It doesn't reflect well that the boat apparently went through so much testing before launch, only for the general concensus to be that the 10.2 rig is too big and not well developed. I know that sounds a little harsh, but RS are experienced at developing boats so it is suprising that the rig is not, apparently, much liked.

The important thing moving forward is for clarity about the different rigs. Rumours of a fourth rig option, rule proposals that split the fleet and marginalise minority rig users, and PY issues make it all seem very embryonic and uncertain. This contrasts with the initial launch which had good clarity and certainty of purpose.
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Originally posted by fab100

 

Notwithstanding that, the 8.4 sailors decide. This is not the EEC

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Originally posted by Contender443

So I do not find the 8.4 a good handicap boat on our courses and am probably sailing closer to 1035. This year one of our good Laser sailors has bought an 8.4 and he is finding the same thing.

Thanks Mark- and yes 'RTC' does include triangles as it is not W/L... (not quite sure what smoke and mirrors Clive's pulling there, but still)

If you compare your findings at Lancing with this performance analysis taken from the class association site, it proves my point about the grossly different performance window between W/L racing and Non-W/L racing (if I'm not allowed to call that RTC anymore...)

here it shows an average PY of 971- and that's against a background description of 'light winds' too.  Which is obviously quite a significant bit lower than the RYA recommended 1000 and your own stats of 1035.

Another cracking example for adjusting numbers locally, however how a sail committee goes about that is a matter for several other threads entirely...


 
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

 but in the writing of this proposal the CA are trying to impose a class rule applicable at championships (and according to the vibe on the forum likely to be extended to open meetings for common sense reasons).  

You are at it again James - we are the Class Association. No one is imposing anything.

Our representatives on the committee have proposed something and put it to the membership. In due course it will get voted on, although I suspect from the feedback on the class forum it may well get withdrawn first (as it misses things like the 7.2 rig as has been pointed out)

Notwithstanding that, the sailors decide. This is not the EEC
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Originally posted by r2d2

and anyway it ought to be up to the 100 sailors how they organise their own events and prizes.

absolutely, but in the writing of this proposal the CA are trying to impose a clas rule applicable at championships (and according to the vibe on the forum likely to be extended to open meetings for common sense reasons).  

Yet you don't want to apply this for your club racing.

That's a little disingenuous and given the history the class has already had in getting its sh*t in one sock over PY, it seems a tad, well, 'disrespectful'.    

And sorry, it does look from the outside like the 10.2 is being unceremoniously dumped... what 4 real competitors at the 2012 nationals?  I can't see why they'd bother going back once/if this proposal goes through.  They get to start with the 8.4s and then get shouted at for 'interfering in the proper race'... no thanks.  Not the spirit the class started with at all.  

I don't feel I've lost anything btw, and a little harsh, considering I personally sorted out the statement that pushed the duel PY back on the table (despite my personal view on the matter)... However, nothing's lost- I sold my 100 when my knees forced the issue, not when there was no one left to sail against on the circuit because the 8.4 sailors voted 'me' out....  Thumbs Down

Anyway, it appears the best form to shut down this conversation is to say 'you're not 100 sailors, you don't have a right to comment'... tough luck boys, it's sailing, it's a development proposed by the class in a dinghy that probably benefits, certainly benefited immensely from this very forum...  rough with the smooth n' all that, but you're all sounding a bit 'spoilt brattish' saying we can't discuss it here.  


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FAB 100

You may be one of only a couple of current RS100 sailors on this thread, but there are plenty of us former 100 sailors, so comments not unreasonable surely? The 10.2 has a lot of power for the leverage and it is very hard to gybe cleanly in a breeze if you have a reason to not have the kite up - I completely agree with those comments and I was 10.2 weight, but often reverted to the 8.4. The 7 m is sailed successfully at our club, but usually windy and course dependent.
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Originally posted by r2d2

Hi Clive, Keith - I am also a 100 owner, Dave:-)

Apologies
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by fab100

 

This is an RS100 Owners Thread so it's interesting that the nonsense comes from non-100 owners. 



If you don't want any public comment then take this to the rs100 owners private website ... It is you who is bringing this rule change here for public discussion. 


Wrong again. 

It was James the Pondmonkey who brought it here (on page 179). Not a 100 owner, but an ex-owner
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