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    Posted: 17 May 13 at 11:13am

Repeating myself i still think the cost of the boat is quite prohibitive for a lot of people who would sail them.
I got my boat at the same time as having young kids so the days of driving down south for travellers on a weekend and not so popular these days so not experienced the boat in big fleets but as a PY boat it is obviously dependant on the course and a good downwind leg is important but I actually really enjoy the challenge when I don't always get a perfect course for it. 
I suppose I'm just grateful to get out on the water in a wonderful boat these days!!! Smile
This forum continues to crack me up when I revisit it as the same group of folks are banging on about the same sort of stuff again and again.
Lets remember that this public forum thread helped us be involved in the development of the 100 to become the great boat it is today....


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Originally posted by Contender443

Well my experience is that at 92kg (ish) I found the 10.2 a handful and had to depower very early. I also found it a pig to gybe without the kite especially from reach to reach. Now I generally sail club courses which are either triangle sausage or trapezoids.

Why is it at our club we always have a long beat into the tide and a very short blast downwind with the kite?

I find when doing triangles on the reaches the majority of the time I cannot fly the kite as I am generally overpowered. Then I get stuffed by Laser2s and RS500s who with their trap can carry their kite quite high. Maybe I should just pop the kite up and carry it for as long as I can but then I need to bear away to drop. [I agree it can be a big on a traditional triangle. I tend to head high, then hoist, but calling the point is interesting. I also suspect what the rest of us call triangles, pondmonkey calls RTC. RTC to me means what we do, 8 marks and a cats cradle course of alls sorts of angles]

In the meantime the Lasers are catching me up because they are not gaffing with a kite on the reaches and sail by the lee on the run.

So I donot find the 8.4 a good handicap boat on our courses and am probably sailing closer to 1035. This year one of our good Laser sailors has bought an 8.4 and he is finding the same thing. 

Would I change class? No not at the moment because when I get the right course or just don't care then it is great fun.

Will I do open meetings and the nationals? Probably not because there is not enough choice in the RS100 UK calendar. [we actually discussed event regularity at the AGM, reaching a consensus that one a month was about right - with the knowledge that there are likely to be good turnouts at Chi Fed Week and at Poole thanks to their strong fleets] There are too many European events in the calendar and you get the feeling this is a manufacturers marketing ploy.

One final point which rig is the one for the international class? I am surprised ISAF have let such a wooly description go with the 2 rigs allowed in the first place. I would have thought like the Laser each rig should be an international class in its own right. [It is an interesting observation that the Laser was well established before the alternate rigs came along and I am not sure how RS got away with it either. And this is the same ISAF taking Laser performance's side against Bruce Kirby - oops, wrong thread]

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Not sure if I like the current rule proposal entirely.

The class could either have a free for all and pick your weapon for the day. In which case if it is light weather then the lightweights will score with the 10.2 Or if it is very windy then the larger frame will probably do well with a 8.4.

Or we could have a weight equalisation system like the 700s or 800s based on height and sailing weight. I am 91kg in the raw so I guess my sailing weight is a bit more. I prefer the 8.4 in a blow as I find it easier to handle but would not want to be forced to sail a 10.2. If that happened then it would be yet another reason not to opens.
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Hi Clive, Keith - I am also a 100 owner, Dave:-)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote haroosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 13 at 11:06am
Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by 2547

the 10.2 seems very unpopular such that the 8.4 brigade want to marginalise them to obscurity. 

Err excuse me. This is absolute, 100% total b0ll0cks.

I am beginning to despair with all this speculative, self-referring, auto-escalating tosh. It does not even qualify as hearsay. How does anyone here know what 100 sailors are thinking? Haroosh and I are the only 100 sailors here and we both keep saying pretty much the opposite.

This is an RS100 Owners Thread so it's interesting that the nonsense comes from non-100 owners. 



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Originally posted by fab100

 

This is an RS100 Owners Thread so it's interesting that the nonsense comes from non-100 owners. 



If you don't want any public comment then take this to the rs100 owners private website ... It is you who is bringing this rule change here for public discussion. 

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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by 2547

the 10.2 seems very unpopular such that the 8.4 brigade want to marginalise them to obscurity. 

Err excuse me. This is absolute, 100% total b0ll0cks.

I am beginning to despair with all this speculative, self-referring, auto-escalating tosh. It does not even qualify as hearsay. How does anyone here know what 100 sailors are thinking? Haroosh and I are the only 100 sailors here and we both keep saying pretty much the opposite. [edit - sorry and Contender443]

This is an RS100 Owners Thread so it's interesting that the nonsense comes from non-100 owners. 



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you're certainly tenacious - I'll give you that James!  But you been banging on about this now for ~3 years and you don't even sail a 100 anymore!  The proposal is just that - subject to discussion and change - and anyway it ought to be up to the 100 sailors how they organise their own events and prizes. Not sure you've been very fair to Keith in these recent discussions - if anything it was that you backed one horse and didn't like it when it didn't win.  'Splits'  'donkeys' - not stirring? - come on!
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Originally posted by 2547

the 10.2 seems very unpopular such that the 8.4 brigade want to marginalise them to obscurity. 

Err excuse me. This is absolute, 100% total b0ll0cks.

I am beginning to despair with all this speculative, self-referring, auto-escalating tosh. It does not even qualify as hearsay. How does anyone here know what 100 sailors are thinking? Haroosh and I are the only 100 sailors here and we both keep saying pretty much the opposite.

This is an RS100 Owners Thread so it's interesting that the nonsense comes from non-100 owners. 



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Well my experience is that at 92kg (ish) I found the 10.2 a handful and had to depower very early. I also found it a pig to gybe without the kite especially from reach to reach. Now I generally sail club courses which are either triangle sausage or trapezoids.

Why is it at our club we always have a long beat into the tide and a very short blast downwind with the kite?

I find when doing triangles on the reaches the majority of the time I cannot fly the kite as I am generally overpowered. Then I get stuffed by Laser2s and RS500s who with their trap can carry their kite quite high. Maybe I should just pop the kite up and carry it for as long as I can but then I need to bear away to drop.

In the meantime the Lasers are catching me up because they are not gaffing with a kite on the reaches and sail by the lee on the run.

So I donot find the 8.4 a good handicap boat on our courses and am probably sailing closer to 1035. This year one of our good Laser sailors has bought an 8.4 and he is finding the same thing. 

Would I change class? No not at the moment because when I get the right course or just don't care then it is great fun.

Will I do open meetings and the nationals? Probably not because there is not enough choice in the RS100 UK calendar. There are too many European events in the calendar and you get the feeling this is a manufacturers marketing ploy.

One final point which rig is the one for the international class? I am surprised ISAF have let such a wooly description go with the 2 rigs allowed in the first place. I would have thought like the Laser each rig should be an international class in its own right.

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