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    Posted: 16 May 13 at 9:54am
I suspect a lot of people do find that the capital layout is too much. Even if they don't want to buy a boat and only rent, few these days will pick up sailing without doing a training course first and that ain't normally cheap in its own right. It doesn't cost much to pick up a borrowed hockey bat or rugby ball. You only need some shorts and trainers which most people already have.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by pondmonkey


Or is there something else?


Really?

I mean why wouldn't folk be queuing up for Beach toys designed in the 40's 50's and 60's?

That are Elitist, Inaccessible and too difficult to bother with anyway?

You're probably right, so back to my original point, is it like pushing water uphill to worry about 'spreading the love'?  Most windsurfers I meet seem quite happy that it's a minority sport that's hard to get into, in fact some even argue that it being hard is one of its greatest virtues.  Frankly they don't care that Bob & Joan would rather be down the tennis club while little Johnny gets pebble dragged along the beach on a kite surfing holiday.  Whereas dinghy sailors seem to have it ingrained into them that we should be encouraging others to take part.... 

If the boats we appear to favour racing (slow, older, arguable out-teched) do not appeal to outsiders, should we change them for something that will?   Or should we just stop worrying about it, servicing any interest from the general public in a reactive manner and relying on our offspring to top the pot up with active particpants when they get a bit older?
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Just been talking around my office to see if people are thinking of taking up a new sport (presuming that they weren't already doing one that took up to much time) would they consider sailing and if not why not.

The general consensus was that their impressions of sailing was that it was too expensive to get into with all the kit you needed and would take up too much time.

It had nothing to do with the type of boats at all. After all those who are looking into sailing probably don't know what boats are available anyway up front.

Those who do come to our club and want to sail are prominently wanting to mess about in boats, not get into serious hard core racing. That would come in time once the club system suggested that they tried racing.
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I know at my old club there was a tension between running the club for the 'regulars' ie getting the race quality as good as it can be vs training new people how to sail. The vast majority of people who went through our courses didn't come back to be regulars.
 
I suppose that's the question to ask...
 
For what it's worth, I was of the opinion that a club without racing (ie the regulars) will not survive, therefore the priority should be on serving those who have already chosen sailing as their 'thing'.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

The general consensus was that their impressions of sailing was that it was too expensive to get into with all the kit you needed and would take up too much time.  

And if we're honest, they're probably right.  So why the desire amongst us all to keep banging the drum about promoting the sport?  
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Sailing is comparatively expensive to get into compared to other sports. Take Hockey for example, a cheap pair of astro shoes, shin pads, a gum shield and a usable stick will set you back something of the other of around £50-£80 and you have all the kit you need.

I play for a mixed team who train once a week, no 'fixed' membership fees but you pay £4 per training session and then any costs of entering tournaments are shared if you want to go.

Now take sailing, fixed club fees, buoyancy aid, boat, wet boots (need I go on) and you wont get much change out of £500 and that is if you get lucky and buy an ebay special.

Then put that in to context.... I dabbled in Karting many years ago. The equipment costs for that were around the same as sailing but then on top of that you needed to get a license, have a medical every 2 years, pay entry fees for meeting that were held at your home club (where you had paid membership for the year), new tyres every 6 months or so, engine rebuilds every 6-8 hours of running....not much change out of £2.5k and that was 20 years ago.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey


 So why the desire amongst us all to keep banging the drum about promoting the sport?  


For the same reason the windsurfers should, to keep the costs within reach, sadly windsurfing has priced itself off the shelves. Dinghies were never on the shelves in the first place which was part of the problem.

A shame that a 'packaged' well marketed thing, like that little MX Ray promised to be didn't gain traction, but then it wouldn't, faced with the competition of loads of old luddites telling everyone they don't want 'that' here, you need to sail this boring old complicated thing that only we know how to work...

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Originally posted by pondmonkey


Originally posted by maxibuddah

The general consensus was that their impressions of sailing was that it was too expensive to get into with all the kit you needed and would take up too much time.  

And if we're honest, they're probably right.  So why the desire amongst us all to keep banging the drum about promoting the sport?  


Because without new members the sport will die. Everything needs new blood to continue.
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Originally posted by hum3

The vast majority of people who went through our courses didn't come back to be regulars.



That's one of the things I'm trying to focus on in my club. Having just gone through RYA Coach training, which was very good on the coaching bit, it did leave the impression that much of the training we do stems from trying to grow our future Olympians, not to get more people having fun and enjoying the sport. It does make me wonder what training might be like if the RYA wasn't the managing body...
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At Hunts training is purely about getting people on the water.

Once they are confident we suggest they might want to join in with the racing. Not to race but to give a focus on the points of sailing. If they show no desire we do not push it on them, we have quite a good cruising and blasting contingent too.
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