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    Posted: 15 May 13 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by Daniel Holman

you could have an excellent career as a slave trader. Or a pimp. Wink

i was hoping those skill sets could be better served in the other ethical practices maybe investment banking or politics....

edit- although even in jest you've raised an interesting point relating to my OP.  Both slave trading and pimping (big hat, loud car, upsell for extras and 'long time' pimping, not Russy on a D-One pimping) well, morality parked, they're still very parasitic trades.  So I can only assume that you see the RYA burgee sailors as parasites on the whole sport's infrastructure too???


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Nah with my realists hat on (feather optional) I appreciate that for a prolific open meeting sailor with a decent garage or drive, that a sailing club may not be particularly relevant opr necessary, and thats fine as they are propping up other important parts of the game.
I would like to think that the "protection" / business development / meds provided by the pimp would make it more of a symbiosis than parasite / host kind of setup. Slave trading pretty parasitey mind.
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meds... offer private healthcare?  
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The problem for smaller clubs is that it mostly comes back to the same old people doing all the jobs. After a while no matter how responsible you feel for your club, and as said it's more of an emotional pull than a leisure club, you have enough of doing it. I do my duties as required by my membership bit after 20+years of other things is time for others to do it.

The problem is that the sailing club has become a commodity for people who don't have that emotional attachment.

Back 30 years ago the clubhouse used to be full to the brim with folks at the agm, lucky if we get 20 now.

Society as a whole is far more selfish than it used to be and unless it is reversed the small club run by enthusiastic volunteers who care about it will cease to exist. Sailing will be done at large corporate centres where you are little more than a cash cow.
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 I appreciate that for a prolific open meeting sailor with a decent garage or drive, that a sailing club may not be particularly relevant opr necessary

That's certainly true, but how many of those opens are run by purely professional outfits who would continue to operate in the absence of clubs (though doubtlessly charging higher prices)? Most Opens only happen because clubs run them. Sure, they are often done as a money maker to subsidise the running of the club - so it can be said that the non club member travelling sailor does make a contribution to the survival of the clubs. However, if we are looking at the replacement of clubs by pay and go centres, which some seem to be implying may be the future, then does that future contain an active local racing and open scene? It's not at all clear to me that it does.
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We run open meetings, but nearly always struggle to get enough people to actually help run the things.

I agree that the club scene is required to continue the open circuits but if the apathy and selfishness were to increase then I fear that this will be lost. I certainly don't want it to happen.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

We run open meetings, but nearly always struggle to get enough people to actually help run the things.

I agree that the club scene is required to continue the open circuits but if the apathy and selfishness were to increase then I fear that this will be lost. I certainly don't want it to happen.


We struggle more to get people to compete.
I think it's different  on the coast, clubs are more local, a lot of people wanting to be involved.
Also a lot of coastal clubs are more diverse, with cruiser sailing members, ex-sailing members etc.

There are times when 'pay and play' would appeal, but only as an add-on to club sailing. For instance in the winter when sea sailing shuts down, or when tides are wrong, or to do some training/practice/boat sorting.
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I think the Jimbo's original question could apply to lots of club-based individual sports: you will have people who want to do their own thing, either hyper competitivley or not competitively.  Neither of them will have much use for a club structure and if they join a club they are likely to remain on the periphery. And then you will have people who do club-based sport becasue the club gives them an alternative social scene outside the work place and a bit of gentle competition provides the glue that keeps the club going. 
 
If there is one thing that encourages a good level of club volunteering, or success in every other walk of life - business, schools, whatever - it is inspired leadership, either by an individual or by a group. Other club members will naturally tend to want to do their bit to help the group's aims.
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Our local Rugby club is an interesting comparison... they have been inundated with family members, mainly through the kids participation, but there's also now a mixed touch team, a 'dad's team' (ultra non-competitive who haven't played since school, some who've never played) and ladies newbie team- stocked mainly by mums, run by one of the older coaches in a very non-threatening manner.  

They've had to lay on more training sessions, and are running more teams than ever now for kids- especially the girls.  I know one of the coaches and he says the recession has been the best thing for their club in years- people are looking for things to do as a family locally and not spend so much time in the car at weekends.  Word of mouth obviously helps amongst school age families too.   He said the local hockey club has also had a similar growth and, I know from other friends the town's two rowing clubs remain ridiculously over-subscribed....

... why is it sailing clubs seem to be struggling more than ever?  Is it just the issue of capital outlay for the boats?  Or is there something else?


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Originally posted by pondmonkey


Or is there something else?


Really?

I mean why wouldn't folk be queuing up for Beach toys designed in the 40's 50's and 60's?

That are Elitist, Inaccessible and too difficult to bother with anyway?
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