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    Posted: 14 May 13 at 6:18pm
If you wish your club to prosper and be a bright vibrant place to be, you need to support it with your patronage even if that is just rocking up and going sailing.
If you wish the class of boat that you sail to prosper and give nice big fleets with high quality racing, you also need to support it with your patronage, again even if that just means turning up and racing.
This isn't a symbiotic relationship between club and class, so there is an element of only enough patronage to go round.
Equally begind every vibrant class and club ther are energetic and enthusiastic volunteers who give freely of their time and energy. People that just turn up are never enough, it just helps with critical mass.
Maybe I have a bit of a frank skinner approach, but personally I like the smaller more intimate sailing clubs where everyone knows each other, and the wives and mums bake cakes etc, to the large impersonal professionally run outfits with lots of down for the weekend members.
Beer Sc is high up my list despite the steepness of the beach. Netley sc where I am currently a member is really good too. In my humble opinion.
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I don't know if I exactly want to be 'responsible' as a sailor, I have enough of that being responsible to my family, my business and cross dressers anonymous.

I do muck in, do my duties, encourage folk to do stuff, teach wherever I feel info is lacking, pull them out if they're in trouble, but I just do that because water folk do that as a matter of course. I wouldn't want to be directed to do any of it.

Both my clubs have problems, one a beach and a useless committee that wont consider a slipway, the other is on a piece of water owned by a fish psychopath that doesn't really want them there.

I agree about all the patronage stuff, but don't see what else you would do, surely if you need to sail, you turn up, that's it. Yes I like small clubs, but it would be great to just turn up and know it's all going to happen with flags and everything and the course being approximately in an upwind direction with two side to the beat, without having to harangue them.
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Same views as Mr Holman...also a Netley SC member
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Originally posted by iGRF

... but it would be great to just turn up and know it's all going to happen with flags and everything and the course being approximately in an upwind direction with two side to the beat, without having to harangue them.

that's what kind of happens at our club, but in truth it's off the backs of a few who put in a lot.  Maybe they enjoy it, if so great... however it doesn't stop the guilty feeling when you know they either a) ought to be paid for it (or have reduced membership rates) and b) out of those of us who do take, but don't put equal back, there's very few that acknowledge we're on to a good thing and getting access to our sport damn cheap.

I do wonder what would happen to amateur dinghy sailing if it were faced with the same levies at other sports...  3 hours at a snowdome costs £25 (for members on a discount night!).  One of larger local empolyers runs a five a side league and other local businesses are invited to field a team- it's £100 a month to join the league, apparently that's actually subsidised by the big boy!!!   My local tennis court is £20 per hour for members  (fiver per head for a game of doubles) and there's a waiting list to join.  Even our local community gym is £40pcm for peak access... plus your parking of course.  When you get a sailor moaning that an open entry fee is over a tenner, you do start to realise dinghy sailors do seem to have rather unrealistic ideas set about the cost of running sh*t.    


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Originally posted by pondmonkey

When you get a sailor moaning that an open entry fee is over a tenner, you do start to realise dinghy sailors do seem to have rather unrealistic ideas set about the cost of running sh*t.   


Yes, agree with that. I guess many of our clubs (well the volunteer led/DIY ethos ones) have run on the concept of "passing it on"/"doing ones bit" for many years. I grew up in that tradition, and have done the volunteer/committee member bit for more years than I really want to admit to. And yet...   so we've managed to keep our subs/open entry fees/training course fees etc low on the back of all that volunteer effort - has it really been worth it?    Perhaps I'm getting cynical in my old age, but I see turnouts falling to a fraction of what we saw in the 70s/80s, and members who display an increasingly "consumerist" attitude to the sport.  I was at Rutland the other day on a sunny Sunday, and noticed that the "pay and play" guys at Whitwell were packed, in terms of a stacked car park/cafe/people on the shore/boats and canoes on the water,  which I suspect was 3 or 4 times the turnout at RSC on the other side of the lake. Oldies like me perhaps can't help but see the sport through the prism of all the years we've spent at our clubs, but I'm getting more and more convinced that the future of the sport will be less and less club based and more around sailing "leisure centres".
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We're members at both a local small club and a more distant larger club and the small club is by far the friendliest. I find bigger clubs are far more impersonal and difficult to really feel part of and anyway not everyone has a larger water area in their locality. Puddles and ditches and thus small clubs are more common inland.

We do duties at both, but put more in at the local one simply because it's close by and we can just pop in rather than making a 45 minute special journey to the other.
 
The pay & play brigade is one result of people having more activities and less time for sailing - they don't want to pay club fees when they only sail half a dozen times a year and don't want to race. I can only see it  increasing as the generation that was taught not to be competitive (what happened to inter state-school sport?) is now in their twenties.


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Originally posted by Late starter

 I'm getting more and more convinced that the future of the sport will be less and less club based and more around sailing "leisure centres".

I think this is probably very true- that's already happened to some extent with windsurfing.  It's become nomadic, and like you've highlighted, Whitwell offers far better value than a 365 day a year membership of the sailing club once you factor in the free time we have and the weather variables that mean we can use our toys.
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What you are describing is perhaps paralleled in motorcycling, where there are far more people 'doing trackdays' than actually racing.
 
I think dinghies are mostly about racing though, at least performance dinghies.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

 
 
I think dinghies are mostly about racing though, at least performance dinghies.

indeed- an not just performance dinghies... most people racing solos and lasers would not pretend they are in the 'nicest, most exhilarating' boat going.  

I just wonder if a 'pay and play' model might work out better in the longer term?   I know we've had special offers to attract certain fleets over the winter months before and back in the day, we'd head inland for temporary winter membership of a lake for Oppies/Toppers/Lasers.... no voting rights, whatever.   That's effectively 'pay and play', and it did seem to work.
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However jimbo how many people have space at home to store a boat? A windsurfer is small and easily fits in a garage. A 505 takes up a little more space. Certainly if I had the space my phantom wouldn't live at my club, I don't sail there these days, it's little more than a boat park for me, luckily the charges aren't very high.

Before you say anything I have done my fair share of club duties, I ran the website for 7 years and was on or chaired the sailing committee for 15 years at least. Ran numerous open meetings too. I think I'm entitled to some time off now
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