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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I really don't think anyone's going to lose any sleep over that... I'm certainly not going to: being an Australian subject of Her Majesty I really object to being supposed to put GBR on my mainsail and somehow it hasn't happened yet... So in summary, to the best of the various competitors' knowledge they were entering with legitimate sails, but since then a statement on the Fireball website has apparently changed the goalposts on them? Its rather a shame we didn't hear that 300 posts ago... Edited by JimC - 14 Feb 13 at 9:04pm |
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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I think we will know that once it is confirmed the sails were measured.
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r2d2 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 350 |
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I am very glad the sailors have confirmed they entered with what were considered to be a legal type of sail ![]() The part that is hard to understand is that the tape drive sails were apparently considered legal (at least by several sailors) in the class for a period up to the race but have since apparently been declared illegal.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Its not that hard to understand when you've heard some of the discussions that can go on about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin in some one design class rules. It seems to be very tricky framing rules about reinforcement and stuff, and that, I think is why ISAF have brought in their equipment rules of sailing which are full of standard definitions of reinforcement and so on in the hope of at least getting standard ways to describe this stuff. I'm lucky enough not to sail in classes where its a concern. Myself, I think if your class rules allow 3DL sails and yet ban rather cheaper forms of construction then its probably a sign that you've gone badly wrong somewhere and need to sit down and have a complete rethink. |
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ASok ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 739 |
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Remember when Jonathon Ross and Russel Brand made those crank calls on Radio 2? None of the listeners were bothered and enjoyed the show.
Then 10,000 daily mail readers who hadn't listened and got any of the context complained and started a witch hunt. Anyone notice any similarities? |
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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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Actually I think things only really fired up when the UKFA issued their statement saying the the Aeroweb Tape Drive sails were illegal. It was inevitable that things were going to heat up if a boat wins an event with sails that the class association said were illegal. If you take a peak at their forum it stills seem people in the association think they are illegal.
If I had to guess at what has gone wrong I would say the UK measurers let the sails in without the international FB association having given their full approval. This statement now makes it clear you can't race with them.
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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In-house measuring is not permitted under Fireball Class rules, so if anyone measured & signed the sail (other than an accredited UKFA measurer, with an official stamp) it has NOT been measured. This oddity has been discussed before (along with the sail construction debate). Edited by Noah - 14 Feb 13 at 10:42pm |
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Roy Race ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 275 |
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Sounds
like you are saying the uk fireball statement is incorrect and
inappropriate. Were
the winners sails measured? Please don’t anyone put words in my mouth about the UKFA statement. I’m sure it was made with the best intentions and is correct to the best of their knowledge. Yes, it happens to be different to my (and others) honest interpretation of the rules but that doesn’t mean that anyone has any “explaining to do”, as someone said. When setting about making a sail, all a sailmaker has available to them, amateur or professional, is a copy of the rules, the same as can be downloaded by anyone who cares to look. Having studied them in considerable depth now, I do think it's fair to say that the rules are unclear and they can genuinely be interpreted in different ways. This means that one interpretation will be right, one will be wrong. Either way, we will learn and move on. I am quite prepared to be wrong and if so, I’ll make different sails for next time, as I would hope Speeds would. I genuinely don’t know if the winners’ sails were measured or not and I’m not fussed either way. People have been doing club races, open meetings and pursuit races with unmeasured sails since before I was born and as long as they are roughly the right size and were built in good faith with the intention that they measure then I don’t have a problem. That goes for the whole fleet, from the winners to whoever finished last. Perhaps though, times have changed and we all now have to have our sails measured for every race, without fail. Personally, I feel it would be a shame if this was the case. |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Yawn.... is it possible to have a new category set up for next years SJ Winter Series please, not "dinghy development" I'm thinking "perpetual moaning about handicap events" or "fuss about events I didn't attend and boats I've maybe seen in the boatpark but never actually sailed" would be far more apt.....
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sandgrounder ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
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I understand that Banks Sails manufacture the sails for Speed Sails, I'd simply like to know who I'd be buying them from? Anybody?
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