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    Posted: 14 Feb 13 at 3:33pm
Thanks Mark.
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And I notice:-

"We firmly believed the Tape Drive Fireball mainsail was legal and other measured Tape Drive Fireball sails were racing at the Tiger Trophy not made by Speed Sails."

So there were measured tape drive Fireball sails there anyway, albeit from other manufacturers, which were presumably measured by a class measurer. 
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Originally posted by Mark Jardine

Tony and Antony Lincoln own sailboats.co.uk (formerly Northampton Sailboats) and have done so since 1982. The team is the sailboats.co.uk Gul Race Team powered by Speed Sails and the 55 series of sail numbers have been cleared for the Sailjuice Series with the suggestion of an extra number to avoid confusion. We firmly believed the Tape Drive Fireball mainsail was legal and other measured Tape Drive Fireball sails were racing at the Tiger Trophy not made by Speed Sails.


What I infer from that is that the sails were unmeasured, if other sails had been measured and signed they were legal. The UKFA statement says the Speed Sails ones are not legal so I doubt very much they had passed measurement.

If these guys want to clear this up just tell us the facts. Believing something is legal is one thing, but it is the measurer's opinion that matters.

So had these sail been measured? If not they did a naughty thing and sailors of this standard should know better.
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As to the boat-bashing, I agree completely.
 
With regard to the Tape-Drive sails; well, if it's true that other Fireballs were using them, supplied by another sailmaker and duly measured and signed by a Fireball class measurer, then all I can say is that the Fireball class have got to get their lives sorted out PDQ.  
 
If their statement is taken at face value then Speed Sails seem to have accidentally fallen into a hornets nest not of their making.  Everybody has an accident once in a while; but two very similar ones on the trot seems awfully like carelessness...
 
 
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532 Posts since I left? Hell what has been going on here? 

Boat Bashing is a perfectly healthy activity that has been carried on down the years since the dawn of time, well from when the GP14 ers began to be able to afford watches, when was that 1979? What is required is the essential intelligence to spot, that actually what is being said, might actually not be true and is being delivered for ironic effect, tricky I realise, especially when some haven't actually got common sense (which of course you can spot immediately by the sort of boat they sail. LOL)

There I'm going to continue my rest for a bit, only got dragged back by PM to answer an Alto question and I have got so much on at the moment..

Seriously though for a moment I haven't read all that up there, but I do so hope it's not a bloody witch hunt to make some other poor bugger retire, it'll be really tedious two years in a row and serves none of us in a good light.
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Not sure anything that's been said is conclusive. I thought one of the few 'facts' was the fireball class association statement that Tape Drive Sails are not class legal. Now I'm confused. Pretty sure tape drive fireballs that don't declare it in time for PY adjusts as being out of class could still find themselves in a protest hearing. Anyone making a protest would be reasonably bringing the matter to a rapid conclusion.

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Tony and Antony Lincoln own sailboats.co.uk (formerly Northampton Sailboats) and have done so since 1982. The team is the sailboats.co.uk Gul Race Team powered by Speed Sails and the 55 series of sail numbers have been cleared for the Sailjuice Series with the suggestion of an extra number to avoid confusion. We firmly believed the Tape Drive Fireball mainsail was legal and other measured Tape Drive Fireball sails were racing at the Tiger Trophy not made by Speed Sails.

So who were the other Fireball Sailors with 'Tape Drive Sails' at the TT? Which other manufacturer other than Speeds make 'Tape Drive Sails'? Pinnell and Bax don't make Tape drive, Norths don't make them either. What ever the answer to these questions the Speed Sails according to the UK Fireball Association statement are still out of class. Think the Speeds promotion of its own 'race team' with 55 Tape Drive sails has been a spectacular own goal. The sailors I think have been unwitting jockies of an out of class Fireball let down by their sponsor.
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In reply to Times 10. I don't really know the ins and outs of a Tape Drive sail. Is anyone able to explain what material the sails in this image are made from? Thanks.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/splashclick/8442243959/in/photostream/


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Bearing in mind Mark's statement, and not wanting to offend anybody, I'd like to ask one final question on the matter under discussion.
 
I sail a SMOD, and now that all 3 authorised parts dealers in the UK sit in the same warehouse I am seriously considering changing class to one of the conventional dinghies, in order that I have access to a healthy choice of supplier to support my chosen sport.
 
As Speed Sails, with their outstanding history and heritage are one of the sail suppliers I will consider, I would like to know who they are owned by, as with any product and service in this day and age.
 
Can anybody please answer this question?
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Originally posted by Pierre



"We firmly believed the Tape Drive Fireball mainsail was legal and other measured Tape Drive Fireball sails were racing at the Tiger Trophy not made by Speed Sails."

So there were measured tape drive Fireball sails there anyway, albeit from other manufacturers, which were presumably measured by a class measurer. 


Fair enough then, an honest mistake? Shame history has repeated itself though.
Note the past tense 'we firmly believed'. Is this a tacit acknowledgement that they now accept that perhaps they aren't legal. 
I'm sure it's not too late to present them to a measurer to endorse before they use them at the next 'fun' event or otherwise make certain they are declared to the RC beforehand.
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Originally posted by tgruitt

In reply to Times 10. I don't really know the ins and outs of a Tape Drive sail. Is anyone able to explain what material the sails in this image are made from? Thanks.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/splashclick/8442243959/in/photostream/


It's hard to say for certain in that photo (I was looking at it myself earlier on this afternoon). The jib seems to have the same sort of patterning in it. Now whilst laminated jibs are legal in the Fireballs I don't recall ever seeing one. It may all just be a trick of the light.
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