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    Posted: 12 Feb 13 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by Daniel Holman

No no rules are rules I'm totally with you on that, and in principle, any knowing transgression is pretty bad form.
I'm pretty sure that all of our boats, if scrutinised aggressively enough, may not be totally compliant to the letter of the law.
However I think in this case the illegality of tape drive is a total anomaly and offers no performance gain over similar technologies. My point on subjectivity was that the illegality of tape drive is based on a subjective interpretation of a rule. It's still illegal, it's just a bit dumb that its illegal. I'm not advocating people's subjective interpretation of rrs or class rules!
I think that the whole context of this situation shows how highly most people regard te rules, even on nominally trivial matters like the spacing of sail numbers.
I stand by my assertion that those guys are worthy winners, if a little naive in thinking their sail choice wouldn't draw heat, especially given what had gone before.
Agreed though, if not kept on a fairly tight lead, things could descend into anarchy somewhat.
Seriously think a little clause in merlin and firball rules is in order.

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Originally posted by Peaky

It may well be a dumb rule hat needs changing, but if it offers no advantage to use tape drive sails, why bother making them rather than legal ones?


I agree. Why make a sail that you never intend to get measured??
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Rules may well be dumb (sail numbers being possibly one of the worst) and I'm sure most classes will have them. That's when it's up to the members to change the dumb rules. I'm sure that some classes will be more difficult to change than others though.
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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It may well be a dumb rule hat needs changing, but if it offers no advantage to use tape drive sails, why bother making them rather than legal ones?
Edit. They do look pretty though!

Edited by Peaky - 12 Feb 13 at 9:52pm
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No no rules are rules I'm totally with you on that, and in principle, any knowing transgression is pretty bad form.
I'm pretty sure that all of our boats, if scrutinised aggressively enough, may not be totally compliant to the letter of the law.
However I think in this case the illegality of tape drive is a total anomaly and offers no performance gain over similar technologies. My point on subjectivity was that the illegality of tape drive is based on a subjective interpretation of a rule. It's still illegal, it's just a bit dumb that its illegal. I'm not advocating people's subjective interpretation of rrs or class rules!
I think that the whole context of this situation shows how highly most people regard te rules, even on nominally trivial matters like the spacing of sail numbers.
I stand by my assertion that those guys are worthy winners, if a little naive in thinking their sail choice wouldn't draw heat, especially given what had gone before.
Agreed though, if not kept on a fairly tight lead, things could descend into anarchy somewhat.
Seriously think a little clause in merlin and firball rules is in order.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 13 at 9:24pm
I know what you mean dan, but should rules be clear or subjective? I tried to clarify this in an earlier post in that I said who makes that decision where to draw the line? 

I guess that I am hypocritical in that I don't follow the principles I have outlined above. I let people off, brow beaten by apathy, I don't pursue people because their stuff doesn't quite fit class rules. I should do but is it worth the hassle and making yourself unpopular because you do? I think that is the problem in that ensuring you do not become that anal git that no ones likes, you inadvertently allow the situation to develop that means anything goes.

We are our own worst enemies and unless we as a collective ensure that the rules are adhered to, we are going to be the architects of our own downfall. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 13 at 8:03pm
These are all good points, this is sailboat racing not 'nam, there are rules!

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I certainly wasn't advocating cheating earlier, and I think that any known deviations should be brougt to the attention of the race officer, preferrably not by a third party.. Multiclass pursuits on ponds are just about the most meaningless environment for qualatative testing which I think is a slightly dubious rationale.
I guess the point I was making was that I did 77mph on a motorway today,
I would hope this doesn't make me a bad person, and certainly not as bad as if I'd just been busted as a kiddy fiddler.
The legality of tape drive is a result of a subjective interpretation of a rule, with other products that go further against the intent of that rule being ok, and I don't see it giving an advantage, but equally they can't expect to get the result if knowingly not racing fully in class.
I don't think their transgression as severe as others at certain recent handicap events, for instance

Edited by Daniel Holman - 12 Feb 13 at 8:11pm
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Post Options Post Options   Quote craiggo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 13 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by maxibuddah

The whole point of rules is that they are adhered to. If you don't like them get them changed.

Don't break them and then try to mitigate the situation by saying that you only broke it a little bit and it doesn't matter because it didn't give you an advantage.

In the case of the furball as Dan said there was no real advantage and it's not a new technology so why get your knickers in a twist. The principle in this is that if the rules say you can't do it, you can't do it. End of story. Change the class rules before you take part in an event where the si's say you have to adhere to class rules.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 13 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by sandgrounder

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I have never met anyone who would get excited about misplaced sail numbers unless it was a deliberate effort to make the numbers difficult to read such that the sailor may escape an OCS call.

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Do you mean by reducing the number of digits?
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Like for instance to No. 55. LOL
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Yes, MaxiB has got it spot on.
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