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    Posted: 12 Feb 13 at 2:33pm
It's knowingly breaking a rule though.
 
Is there a hierarchy of optional rules?
 
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Originally posted by 2547

A misplaced sail number isn't the same as a new sail construction method that is not legal.

Why not? It doesn't confirm to the rules does it? 
I know exactly what you mean but it depends on whether you use strict adherence or personal interpretations (see my previous post)
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Originally posted by GarethT

When I bought my boat, the sail numbers were 100mm above the prescribed position, and not parallel to the batten pocket. This puts them out of the class measurement rules.
 
I can't be arsed to peel them off, put new ones in the right place and have to deal with the sticky left behind in the wrong place.
 
At a class event I will no doubt be protested by a class measurer, but at a handicap event no-one will give a toss.
 
If I use this sail at a handicap event (as it is the only one I have), does this make me a cheat, showing contempt for my fellow competitors, or just lazy?

sensible I'd say... 

It depends on your definition of cheat, is it 
(1) someone who knowingly breaks the rules in a minor way where no advantage is being sought nor gained over other competitors
(2) someone who knowingly breaks the rules to gain an advantage over other competitors

If it is the former then personally I'd say so what, does it really matter, however if it is the latter then yes, you are a cheat and should be chucked out.
The trouble with this comes from the cycling world. Is Lance Armstrong a cheat? He used drugs (he has admitteded now so no alledgely) but was it to gain an advantage over everyone else? His point of view was no he didn't cheat as everyone else did it to, so he was only bringing himself up to a level playing field. To most people he is a cheat as he was outside of the rules.

Please note that I am saying this as devils advocate but the principle is bascially the same, it just depends on what your thoughts about cheating actually are.

Personally I'd say lazy or forgetful (we've all done something like that I suspect), not cheating, but by the rules you are.....

grey area open for discussion further there away from the subject of the Furball crew as these things start to get personal which is not desireable.

P.S. at a proper keyboard now....
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A misplaced sail number isn't the same as a new sail construction method that is not legal.
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I would do the same, but then I'm never going to be in with a chance of winning something major. If I was and I cared about it then I would correct.
 

but if you were in contention you'd probably have a new rag anyway... given to you by a sponsor.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey


sensible I'd say... 
 
Knowingly breaking a class rule though?
 
Maybe sportsmanship isn't as black and white as some think then.
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Originally posted by GarethT

When I bought my boat, the sail numbers were 100mm above the prescribed position, and not parallel to the batten pocket. This puts them out of the class measurement rules.
 
I can't be arsed to peel them off, put new ones in the right place and have to deal with the sticky left behind in the wrong place.
 
At a class event I will no doubt be protested by a class measurer, but at a handicap event no-one will give a toss.
 
If I use this sail at a handicap event (as it is the only one I have), does this make me a cheat, showing contempt for my fellow competitors, or just lazy?
 
I would do the same, but then I'm never going to be in with a chance of winning something major. If I was and I cared about it then I would correct.
 
As I said in my earlier post I find it easy to agree with all the points in isolation. It's bringing them together that creates the problem.
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Originally posted by GarethT

When I bought my boat, the sail numbers were 100mm above the prescribed position, and not parallel to the batten pocket. This puts them out of the class measurement rules.
 
I can't be arsed to peel them off, put new ones in the right place and have to deal with the sticky left behind in the wrong place.
 
At a class event I will no doubt be protested by a class measurer, but at a handicap event no-one will give a toss.
 
If I use this sail at a handicap event (as it is the only one I have), does this make me a cheat, showing contempt for my fellow competitors, or just lazy?

sensible I'd say... 
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Originally posted by Pierre

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Peaky



It is surely up to the classes to change their rules, not sailmakers to ignore them.

Someone has spent many hundreds of pounds developing an illegal sail, so not so trivial really.

I'm sure they are very nice sails, and very good sailors, but let them use them in the Fireball Nationals if the other Fireball sailors really don't care.


I think that is the point. You would not turn up with those sails at the nationals, so to do so elsewhere show contempt for that event. 

They might turn up at the Nationals with them, 


Of course they wont, they have been ruled illegal their class.


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When I bought my boat, the sail numbers were 100mm above the prescribed position, and not parallel to the batten pocket. This puts them out of the class measurement rules.
 
I can't be arsed to peel them off, put new ones in the right place and have to deal with the sticky left behind in the wrong place.
 
At a class event I will no doubt be protested by a class measurer, but at a handicap event no-one will give a toss.
 
If I use this sail at a handicap event (as it is the only one I have), does this make me a cheat, showing contempt for my fellow competitors, or just lazy?
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