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2547 
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 Topic: Advertising via sail numbers? 55Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 8:33am |
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The Fireball class has made an official statement on their website, I think that is clear. It is also backed by the RYAs position taken on the Merlin case 2 years back.
It beggars belief that history repeats itself in this way.
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alstorer
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 8:47am |
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I get the impression too that that the statement on the Fireball website, whilst not referencing the Tiger or discussions like this, has been made because of this fuss.
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gordon
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 9:05am |
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1. A Jury would not base a decision on private correspondence btween a class official and a sailor, even if the
correspondence was published. If the current official documents, including any officially posted interpretations did not provide a clear answer then the Jury would refer the problem to the authority responsible for interpreting the class rules (see rule 64.3 b)
2.As there is no protest the club or any RYA affiliated organisation can request an interpretation of the rules (rule 70.4). This would perhaps clarify the situation and establish a correct procedure for future events. |
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JimC
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 9:25am |
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One thing's for sure, any controversy can be immediately silenced by the boat in question getting their sails measured (if not already done) and demonstrating that they pass.
If they don't pass, however, the sporting thing to do would be to follow the example of their predecessor. |
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rb_stretch
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 9:28am |
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So it seems we have established the facts on the boat being out of class. The only missing fact now is whether the Fireball crew notified the RO before the race.
Given the abilities and level at which the crew sails, I sincerely hope they did. Otherwise it seems no lessons whatsoever where learnt from the Merlin debacle. |
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 9:37am |
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Quote from Andy Rice re the Merlin:
I’m not sufficiently familiar with the minutiae of the Merlin Rocket class rules to understand their error, and maybe they broke the letter of the law, but they certainly didn’t break the spirit. I respect their decision, but it wasn’t necessary in my view. Published 18/02/2011 At the time I disagreed, rules is rules, handicap racing is as important as class racing etc; but on reflection I don't- what was achieved by their retirement? It just alienated the winners, made the runner up feel awkward... have either returned to the SJ series? All it did was sour the reputation of the classes, sailmakers and sailors involved... to what end? Precedent set for the future benefit of the events.... clearly not it would seem. Handicap racing should only ever be treated as a bit of fun surely... to the winner, imho you are no cheat. Well done for pushing the boundaries of the class a bit further and thank you for sharing this in the public domain. Oh yes, guess you must have sailed pretty well to have won too... but that's irrelevant innit?
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2547
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 9:45am |
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Check this page again ....
Seems the Fireballs are back pedaling ...
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rb_stretch
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 10:10am |
Actually I agree with that point which, if it turns out the RO was not informed of an out of class sail, is why I'm stunned that with the same type of sail involved no lessons were learnt. It really is quite simple, if you sail out of class advise the RO beforehand so they can make a decision on any adjustments. We should not be in the position of putting a number of people in a very awkward position again. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much in favour of classes experimenting to make boats better, just don't sail an out-of-class boat using an in-class PY surreptitiously. That's showing a lot of disrespect for the organisers of a PY event and the other competitors. Edited to reflect Pondmonkey's point.
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r2d2
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 10:15am |
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"It really is quite simple, if you sail out of class advise the RO beforehand so they can make a decision on any adjustments."
actually the SI's stated 'the requirement for all boats to sail according to their respective class rules.' They do also state that 'New classes will be given a ‘trial’ handicap and may be subject to revision during the event', but the boat in question would have to be accepted as a new class to get in via this route |
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 08 Feb 13 at 10:17am |
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Is it the same 'sailmaker' though? It's the same brand, but really do we need the smoke and mirrors in dinghy racing....
everyone accepts that 'RS Powered by Hyde Sails' are made by Hyde. everyone accepts that it doesn't matter a jot who makes the official Laser sails, they're still a rip off. everyone used to accept that classes with choice in sailmakers meant dealing with a sailmaker, or at the very least a class representative salesman (North for example do this very well), not a.n.other faceless brand of the Northampton chandlery massif... If the 555 is supposed to be good marketing... FAIL use these guys instead: http://www.hdsails.com
Edited by pondmonkey - 08 Feb 13 at 10:23am |
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