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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">How does this work? Who is the arbiter who decides whether or not "you stand any chance of being near the front of the fleet" ?</span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;"></span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;"></span>I guess the best arbitrator is the guy with common sense standing at the bar wondering where the 100+ boats at the weekend down his local club went.... |
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fudheid ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 11 Location: 51.53 N 01.28 E Online Status: Offline Posts: 241 |
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If it is immaterial then why bother?
It is not immaterial to the patent holder. ask north /doyle/ sobstad who spent alot of time and money deciding who could do what..... tape drive is a trademarked membrane (just like everything in sails these days) owned by uksailmakers (butch halsey). Any sailmaker can buy it if they have an account with a franchise like north/doyle/quantum/ullman/velman/China Sails/UKsails - i'm not sure if Hydes have a 'string' sail, but as an independant sailmaker you cannot buy these products unless you have done a deal with the larger loft. The only membrane sails an independant sailmaker can buy is DIAX2LP or D4, one is Bainbridge and the other is Dimension polyant - both are cloth suppliers and not sailmakers. |
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sandgrounder ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
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Most clubs will turn a blind eye to a back marker using a replica sail, its just good to get them out learning and enjoying an open. However, if you stand any chance of being near the front of the fleet then I think you really should be fully within class rules (whatever class that is).
[/QUOTE] How does this work? Who is the arbiter who decides whether or not "you stand any chance of being near the front of the fleet" ? |
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Does a class need to be affiliated to the RYA to be an official class? I don't think it is as simple as unilaterally calling yourself the NearlyLaser class if you use a replica sail and wish to circumvent class rule issues, because the new class is not recognised by the RYA (even if the host club is prepared to recognise it).
However, the downside of that is that new classes, like the Icon, can not affiliate until 30 boats have been sold (I believe). So is the Icon legitimately allowed to enter? Surely the answer is yes? |
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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Speed used to built tape drive sails in their loft in Aldridge. The technology is available to any sailmaker who cares to buy it. That the tapes don't exactly follow the load paths is immaterial on a dinghy sail. |
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Fraggle ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
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Indeed for a UKLA affiliated laser open you can be removed from your circuit if you encourage replica sails (a couple of clubs got into issues by allowing replicas in their SI's a while ago).
Most clubs will turn a blind eye to a back marker using a replica sail, its just good to get them out learning and enjoying an open. However, if you stand any chance of being near the front of the fleet then I think you really should be fully within class rules (whatever class that is).
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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No because then you are not sailing a Laser. I would also say if you turned up at any UKLA Open event you are likely to be advised that you are not allowed to sail. At Hunts we allow 'replica/training' sails for our 'fleet' racing but we stipulate that you must use an official sail for the Open Meeting. Isn't it about time we moved on? At least until we get an official answer?
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fudheid ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 11 Location: 51.53 N 01.28 E Online Status: Offline Posts: 241 |
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Errrrr i think not. (nice myth that they are carrying on British built my arse!) Think you will find that these speed sails/banks sails (tape drive copies) are from China Sail Factory. They are easy to spot as The tape drive / 3DL / D4 membranes are PATENTED so all CSF can do is straight lines and not follow the catenary paths of the loads like a true load path sail....... Yes they still make sails in their loft but they also import from China Sail Factory...... There are not that many facilities to make this sort of sail so unless it is a Uk tape drive, north 3dl or a Dimension polyant D4, ullman membrane, you are likely to be looking at a China sail membrane. |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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2 points -
1. the NOR should clearly state what the policy on out-of-class boats will be. This could be a PY penalty, or the creation of a separate Experimental category with separate prize, or some other solution. All competitors should know how this will be dealt with before entering. Maybe, the big winter events could get together and agree a common policy - perhaps with advice from the RYA. 2 The class rules that apply must be the version that is freely available. For International Classes the ISAF website version should be the one that applies - When there is a rule change the class should hassle ISAF IT to ge the new version posted. For other classes the rules themselves should stipulate where the authoratitive version is to be posted. It would be totally unfair if the class rules that apply were an unpublished version voted in after a heated debate at an AGM after several ammendments.... with the authoratitve version being a piece of much scribbled upon piece of paper lying in the Hon Secs 'to do' tray |
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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It's not really a hard line to expect the entrants to have boats that meet the class rules. The Tiger is a very worthy charity race and clearly taken extremely seriously at the front end. It gets a high profile in the yachting press and allegations of the winning boat using illegal sails is not good for the sport . Edited by boatshed - 07 Feb 13 at 2:14pm |
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