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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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not at all Steve, if the RO is using PY correctly, then local adjustments would be in place anyway. I can see no harm in clocking an additional 50 point penalty on anyone declaring themselves out of class with a performance enhancement trial- like for example, sail developments, if the nature of the event was taking things as seriously as some sailors clearly believe they should.
Similarly what would you do if a chap showed up to race his Vago singlehanded (perfectly do-able)... it's PY rating is 1064 on the list... as a doublehander. IMHO, turning him away totally undervalues the one good thing PY racing has going for it... bringing people from different classes together for fun sailing.
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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So, by accepting the entry the onus is on the RO who by default will declare the entry legal. Every competitor should then protest the RO. I know this is a hard line and I accept development of kit is vital to keep classes alive and the Fireball, for instance, is a great example of a very active class. Classes that wish to evolve have ample opportunities to do it 'in-house' w/e in and w/e out until they achieve consensus in their association for a rule change. |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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no, not all. If the RO decide it's a valid entry as a LipstickX, with an appropriate PY, then the other competitors have a choice... Race it or f**k off - there is not an option to protest as what are they protesting against??? Most will race, after all surely the point of travelling to a handicap event is to race boats you wouldn't get to race in either home waters or class events????
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On the first point, I think that is OK. If other competitors are taking the event that seriously they can protest and no-one should stop that. I suspect that as was the case for last year's Merlin, the only other competitors who would have know it was out of class were actually fine with it. On the second point, fair point. However I don't think it would take long to come up with a sensible guide for ROs. I'm not a PY expert at all, but adding 50 points for an out of class boat, doesn't sound unreasonable. The point is not to be exact, but to ensure out of class boats are unlikely to win. Again if other feel strongly they can protest, but at least they have that choice. On the third point this is arguably the only correct answer, but I suspect that most would be happy for experimental boats to race to help move sailing as a whole forward. I think the Paul Elvestrom quote before entirely sums up the sentiment behind my thinking.
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plus if you don't like what the RO has done you can always bitch about it on a forum
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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I accept all of this in say, club racing. But we are talking about a major PY event with some pro sailors and manufacturers using the event to promote their products. If I had an out-of-class boat accepted for entry, with say minor breaches of class rules and was slammed with a 50 point PY hit, I would sail and protest the RO for an excessive PY hit. This would be just a legitimate as any other competitor protesting the RO on the basis the PY hit should have been more severe. Jeez, thank god there is no prize money at stake. It would all end up in court. |
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What rule would you protest the RO under?
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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I guess that basically polarises our differing opinions... I frankly find it absurd that there could ever be a 'major PY event' that would mean turning folks away- this isn't the Endeavour. Surely the fundamental purpose of PY is to bring all sorts of boats together- as fairly as possible. Save class racing intricacies for class racing surely? You can't protest a RO for applying a locally adjusted PY for any boat (note the word 'boat' not 'class'). The rules don't enable this. You may appeal before racing, but ultimately you hit the water at your own discretion with the PY set by the RO. If you are making a point about amateur dinghy sailing being taken over by semi-pros and works boats, well that'd probably be more in line with the thread title.. and I'd wager a pint we'll be on the same song sheet for that one.
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