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jaydub ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 06 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 267 |
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Are Banks making the sails based on the old Speed templates then?
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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I'd imagine so. I'd also imagine they're being made in Bank's factory in the Far East. |
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Soggy Badger.
Au contraire: Banks make all their sails at the loft in Park Gate - and what is more, make them very well indeed. What is more, because they are independant and do actually 'make' their sails, they have a damn good idea how to make changes. The Contender sail they made for me recently - to a very different and 'demanding' set of requirements, is a superb sail that works just how i wanted it too and is very well made.
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batman ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
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Any Fireball 'experts/ committe' in the house then?
Simple yes/ no answer to the following 2 questions;
1) Were the sails used measured?
2) Is the sailcloth class legal?
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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My reading of the rules is that the Race Organiser simply does not have the power to permit deviation from class rules. So to put anything like that in the NOR would be to open a huge can of worms. This whole business of adherence to class rules could do with a bit of clarification I think: some brave soul or club really needs to escalate it to the RYA. Sail numbers... I just went looking for the bit in the rules I was sure was there about permission to sail with incorrect numbers... I can't find it either in the current RRS or RYA prescriptions... Interesting: has anyone better eyes than me. In any case I suggest to the speed sails contingent that they consider what their situation would be in the event of a Black flag start with the sail number 55 shown at the windward mark... Edited by JimC - 05 Feb 13 at 10:22pm |
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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but your last point could relate to any class of boat with the same sail numbers, less likely obviously but possible. I do like the fact that you comment alludes to the user being sort of glad that they are using the sail number 55, whereas it could be that they are supplied a very cheap development sail that happens to have the sail number 55 on them and told to get on with it if they want to keep those sails. What would you do????? I know that I would be using the number 55 and asking permission to use the number at the event.
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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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OK so there's more chance with deliberately identical sail numbers, but to avoid doubt, surely any display of black flagged sail numbers at a handicap event should include the class, as with multiple classes nothing prevents two boats carrying the same number? As for the number you should carry:
There's actually no provision I can find for anyone to ever enter under the "wrong" number; that it is a frequently accepted practice (borrowed sails etc) is another matter. |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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erm, why do Banks need to build under the Speed brand...? Is it just me who thinks this all a little farcical?
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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I'm happy to be corrected on that point Dougal. |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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What worries me about all this is that there is the danger of the sailor being lost in amongst the battle of the lofts/manufacturers. I get a fair few email newsletters tell me P&B won this or Speed Sails won that, and you have to search the small print to find out the name of the sailor who actually drove the boat! At prize givings the top batch turn up in their branded kit and sometimes even a 'team' is described as 'winning' or excelling, again without mention of the sailors themselves.
I have nothing against sponsorship - I was sponsored back in my dim and distant past - sailing is a very expensive sport and we need all the help we can get, but I do worry that many of the brands are overshadowing the genius and hardwork of the people using their talents to get the results. |
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the same, but different...
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