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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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the same, but different...
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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The tapes are technically secondary reinforcement and the Fireball class rules on their web site (2011) limit the extent of that to a maximum of 960mm from the sail corner measurement points or Cunningham hole (see rule 20.3.2). Now it may be that those rules are out of date. That's something that needs to be established before the various idiots on this forum go off on their lynch mobbing. |
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Best wishes from deep in the woods
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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I'm waiting for the pushy parents to arrive and accuse us of picking on their boys....the suggest we go to specsavers, or worse.
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the same, but different...
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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Indeed SB I agree. Thanks for clarifying that a bit more, I just want to make sure the rules are established too. |
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Needs to sail more...
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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there are several ways of dealing with sail numbers:
-the laser way - yo sail with the registered sail number of the hull. - total anarchy - any number will do May I suggest an alternative - boats will sail with their registered sail number OR give a substantial donation to a designated charity for the right to change sail number. Another suggestion - all boats shall be class legal. If they are not they may compete but with an automatic 20% handicap penalty. We do something similar in Echo habdicap in which boats new to the handicap system get a huge penalty, which adjusts after several races. By the way - a boat that knowingly declares themselves to be class legal when they are not would be susceptible to a rule 2 protest, or a rule 69 hearing. |
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MattK ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 221 |
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The latest fireball rules are the 2012 edition, the link on the isaf site isn't working for me, but i would check these first before you go making accusations http://www.sailing.org/classesandequipment/20173.php
The win story, with a picture of those sails is top news item on the class association website, and not accompanied by the words, cheat or dishonest
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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I am surprised the NoR's for these events do not invite entrants to clearly state any deviation from class rules. Yes, it would be reasonable to apply a handicap adjustment, but only to the upper limits of what can be plausibly gained. I reckon that would be never more than a percent or two for a change of sailcloth, fair sailing involves the race committee being fair too, and making a defensible estimate for a non-class boat. I don't like the idea of people being able to buy the right for a special sail number, I think if someone has borrowed a sail or boat and wants to sail with a wrong number, that is a very different thing from advertising via the sail number. If it's a 'no advertising' event, then under the old rules, surely the sail number would still rank as advertising? In the same way as some boats have had to sail without displaying their names? |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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Genuine question- who is making these 'Speed Sails' now anyway?
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Drylander ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 04 Feb 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
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They are made by Banks and marketed by Speed as they no longer have a loft.
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sandgrounder ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
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I guess there's no point funding a loft if you don't have any sailmakers.
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