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    Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 5:36pm
Bet your bottom dollor they will change the material on the sails first as the current ones last far too long ! So grab your stock while you can Thumbs Up
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I think the door is open, I sit on the RS Association Exec and personally would be happy to include them in our events etc  This is my personal view as I haven't spoken to the other members of the ctte/association but I'm pretty sure it would be a welcome development.
 
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Originally posted by Ian29937

I understand the 2000 class association aren't keen to join in the RS Association events at the moment.
 
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That'll probably change in due course.... especially around some of the end of year stuff and sprints.  Even if the current owners want to maintain control of their dedicated circuit, there would be no harm in giving them the option to join in the bigger events too.  They offer a festival sailing atmosphere WITH class racing... does it get any better than that?
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Originally posted by Hector

If Laser originally commisioned the design from Phil Morrison, then they probably still 'own' it.
But if he designed the boat and then sold the rights to build it under licence to LPE then there may well have been a clause that allowed him to take away their licence to build under certain circumstances (Not building at all, low build due to no marketing etc).
In those circumstances, it's likely Laser will be getting nothing from RS.
I'd guess that was the case as RS are having to build new moulds - if they'd bought it from Laser, surely the moulds would have been part of the deal?
 
I think you'll find Phil Morrison owns the design and commisioned Laser to build it and the rest of your conclusions are pretty much there...
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I understand the 2000 class association aren't keen to join in the RS Association events at the moment.
 
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Probably already been asked and/or answered, but will the 2k now join up with the larger RS events? It's just I've got a choice of 2k's to 'borrow' if they join the Eurocup...
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So it is to be known as the 2000 - good move. 

I bet, however, that people will still refer to the 'Laser 2000', then also to 'RS2000's.  

We changed the Laser 3000 class into the 3000 Class, but references are still made to Laser 3000 and V3000, although in our case there were intended differences in the boats.
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Originally posted by timeintheboat

I didn't realise there were new moulds to be made. In the absence of the old moulds where are the new ones going to come from? Will this inevitably lead to a pre vs post new moulds argument?

inevitably... even if they build them with NASA grade precision to the Laser originals... you can always rely on human nature to 'spot a difference'.

Either way, such discussion hasn't phased classes like the Blaze from going from strength to strength- and they've even used new build materials to sympathetically modernise the class whilst retaining a one-design ethos.  

I hope RS aren't too conservative... the boat is nice, but if there's the odd improvement that can be made then I believe anyone ponying-up new boat money deserves to have the best RS can do for them like any other RS customer would expect.  
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I didn't realise there were new moulds to be made. In the absence of the old moulds where are the new ones going to come from? Will this inevitably lead to a pre vs post new moulds argument?
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Originally posted by Hector

I'd guess that was the case as RS are having to build new moulds - if they'd bought it from Laser, surely the moulds would have been part of the deal?
 
Maybe the current (Laser) moulds were ready for replacement, and LPE were unwilling/unable to invest in replacement tooling, hence LPE relinquishing the licence to build.


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