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    Posted: 15 Jan 13 at 1:45pm
If Laser originally commisioned the design from Phil Morrison, then they probably still 'own' it.
But if he designed the boat and then sold the rights to build it under licence to LPE then there may well have been a clause that allowed him to take away their licence to build under certain circumstances (Not building at all, low build due to no marketing etc).
In those circumstances, it's likely Laser will be getting nothing from RS.
I'd guess that was the case as RS are having to build new moulds - if they'd bought it from Laser, surely the moulds would have been part of the deal?
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Originally posted by winging it

I'll be calling on you when it's blowing then Paul.

No problem, as long as I can get a day pass!
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I'll be calling on you when it's blowing then Paul.
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Originally posted by Moppo

I suspect it would have something more to do with short-term cash issues on Laser's part.

Hardly short term, Laser Performance have been 'struggling' for at least 18 months if not 2 years.....

I think it is a good think for the class. I have some great memories of sailing one in a F6 at Plas Menai with one of their instructors. Awesome ride hopping down the short chop and not too hard to get back upwind either.

And the day at Hunts in similar winds where the person I was crewing for wimped out so her husband stepped in, he is 17 stone, I am 13.5, we flew round the course (and the next week his wife gave it a go and we both enjoyed it).
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Originally posted by kingdacks

Too defend my point that its a white elephant, if it was being economically prosperous then Laser wouldnt be selling it on.

You make a good point but, equally, LDC wouldn't be taking it on if it wasn't viable. I suspect it would have something more to do with short-term cash issues on Laser's part.
 
Got a lot of fond memories of learning asymettric sailing with my Dad in the front of 2092 in the (very) late 90s, I'm sure the early purple boats are stiffer than the later ones...


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Originally posted by kingdacks

Sorry for getting back to the convo late on this one. Too defend my point that its a white elephant, if it was being economically prosperous then Laser wouldnt be selling it on.


We're assuming it was sold are we?  For anything more than a peppercorn rate of course?  

A business can have a fantastic product, but if the brand lacks clout from misaligned values, or is burdened as a debt vehicle by a highly complex corporate/shell infrastructure that spends more time with legal counsel than out there demoing its wares with its target market, then frankly the fantastic product doesn't stand chance.
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all you need to know:

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/167507/LDC-Sailing-is-the-new-2000-Class-builder
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Sorry for getting back to the convo late on this one. Too defend my point that its a white elephant, if it was being economically prosperous then Laser wouldnt be selling it on.

Secondly is it becoming the RS2000 or is it going to become just the 2000 and lose the laser part of its name.


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I usually make her indoors suffer in a knackered old kestrel, but a few weeks back I made the mistake of taking her out in a 2000 - one of the school's training boats.   She liked it so much we are in the process of buying a suitably knackered training 2000 from elsewhere.  If I can collect it in time and change my entry we may even take it to the Steve Nicks.  She wants to race...just shows what the right boat can do I guess.
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Originally posted by sargesail

James,

It will be good to see you step in to something a little sportier than your current mount....



Matt

Matt you're mixing 'sport' with 'speed' again, someone on the Forum had better give you a dutiful whipping... we had good 'sport' on Sunday; 8 boats out, despite the lack of wind.  I think the only other 'fleet' with anything going on was the Fireballs and the Sunday morning Lasers.... handicap racers were recovering from getting blooded at the Mary.  
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