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    Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by Ian29937

When I heard this news it raised lots of questions but foremost were..
What the branding is going to be?  
What the approach to the classes weight problems is going to be?  (Older boats apparently being 20-30kg lighter has seen all the hotshots in our club sell there new boats and buy good old-uns.  I suspect thius is why there have been few new private sales)
 
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+1 with the caveat that the weight, or lack of it, will only really be of interest to the racing owners

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Wow - there is such a lot of BS out there....

There have certainly been some weight inconsistencies (show me a SMOD class that hasn't had this problem) - but primarily of the using up all the spare material in the last boats of a run type....

I sail a 2K, count myself competitive and bought an old boat last year, not because it was more competitive than the one I borrowed....but becauseI wanted one for teh family and it was cheap.

The limiting factor on private sails has been availability not lack of buyers...
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When I heard this news it raised lots of questions but foremost were..
What the branding is going to be?  
What the approach to the classes weight problems is going to be?  (Older boats apparently being 20-30kg lighter has seen all the hotshots in our club sell there new boats and buy good old-uns.  I suspect thius is why there have been few new private sales)
 
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When I went up to the warehouse a while back there were Strato' everywhere but not a 2k to be seen.

The obvious overlap with an existent RS class is with the Vision, but to my mind the 2k is a far superior boat in almost every respect.  The only advantage the Vision has is that you can get two for your £10k Sport England grant whereas you can only get one 2k
the same, but different...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 13 at 5:06pm
Yep - for some reason they had them lined up for institutions but no-one else....we were able to get boats for the Army.  But as Bootscooter says not even all the institutions were so lucky.

Same thing with the fire-sale of stock a few months ago....institutional customers first.

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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Don't know about know about '<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">didn't have any to sell</span>' . The club got theirs off the shelf with no waiting.


In that case the club got its timing just right - we have had to wait months for boats in the past.
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Don't know about know about 'didn't have any to sell' . The club got theirs off the shelf with no waiting.
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Read it again - one boat which was not to a sailing school or institution....and even then they sold more after that comment....problem was they didn't have any to sell.  It's no white elephant.

I'll get round to why they might want it later....but 2321 sails in 14 years might have soething to do with it...
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I think if they sort the buoyancy problem they could be onto a winner. It is a nice boat to sail all the while it's right way up, and racing can be close and exciting.

Numbers in the club shot up until people started to realise that they couldn't in all conscience recommend it to a novice who might get into trouble. 

And yes crew weight is definitely a factor in righting the boat, which means that there is currently a mis-match between the weight required to right the boat (lardy) and the ideal racing weight (on the lighter side - i.e. ideal for couples, parent/teenagers etc,)
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I rember talking to someone within the class, or it may have been LPE about the problems with it inverting and basically saying it would be nearly impossible for two teenagers around 60kg.
 
Also have RS really done the right thing, have they not taken on a bit of a white elephant. if they only sold one boat in a whole year at LPE, it wouldn't have been worth purchasing or updating the moulds for the boat.  Also as I say again it doesnt really fit in the the rs brand, in less its branded in there all purpose boats.


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