Mark room or Port/Starboard

   Its always good to go to the Case book (http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/CaseBook20092012updatedNov2011-[11669].pdf with situations you aren't sure about.

I think in this case I would be looking very hard at Case 15, Case 25 and Case 95.

There's probably a bit more detail required to be 100% sure of the answer.

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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Mark room or Port/Starboard Posted: 17 Dec 12 at 4:43pm
	Its always good to go to the Case book (http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/CaseBook20092012updatedNov2011-[11669].pdf with situations you aren't sure about. I think in this case I would be looking very hard at Case 15, Case 25 and Case 95. There's probably a bit more detail required to be 100% sure of the answer.

Simon368 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 24 Aug 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Simon368 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Dec 12 at 4:17pm
	The Streaker did not have and overlap which is why he went behind me as he was travelling faster. At this point the wind was at 90deg to our course. I was windward boat when I had rthe mark room and at the point I started to tack he had maybe a foot of overlap on the outside. So by just hardening up to close hauled he kept momentum against the tide whilst I slowed in the tack and the tide pushed be wide. Remember this was happening in slow motion against a strong tide.

craiggo Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810	Post Options Post Reply Quote craiggo Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Dec 12 at 4:07pm
	Given that contact was made (I assume you were Lightning), the correct course of action would be to protest the Streaker for causing a collision. If they thought you were in the wrong, they should have protested you rather than hitting you. Based on what you claim to be the events it is difficult to really be certain that Streaker didn't have an overlap at 3 boat lengths on the grounds that you luffed, therefore almost certainly creating the overlap. (As you luff the line drawn across your transom will rapidly move back down the course). Lets assume however that the Streaker dived below you prior to the 3 boat length circle, then you are entitled to make a mark rounding in a seamanlike manner and they must give you room to do so. Your description however is confusing at this point. If you were to windward of Streaker as you started to tack then he would sail past and the only chance of collision would be if he tacked onto port and then bore away into you, otherwise it suggests he was infact to windward of you and that you have tacked in his water. Id be interested to see a diagram or the other persons view!

Simon368 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 24 Aug 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote Simon368 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Dec 12 at 3:41pm
	This happened yesterday and although I did eventually take turns after a long discussion between boats I am still not convinced I was wrong. sailing on a river and wind is light and direction erratic. Two boats reaching downriver on starboard to a mark to be left to starboard. Course away from mark is another reach/fetch on port back up river so boats will have to tack round the mark. Lightning is ahead, Steaker behind goes to windward outside of 3 boat lengths, swift Luff by Lightning and Streaker bears away behind to go to leeward of Lightning. Streaker is overlapped ourtside as they enter 3 boat lenghts. The Lightnings proper course is the tack round the mark and head back off up the river. Being inside boat Lightning tacks round the mark, not a good rounding as Steaker has held him tight and tide is pushing him away from the mark. Steaker hardens up calls starboard just as Lightning is competing the tack. Contact is made. So Lighting arguement is that they had mark room, streaker should have given room to complete tack as this was the proper course. Streaker arguement, mark room is irrelavent as Lightning had gone round the mark, port starboard applies. I have read the rules and still am unsure who was right?