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    Posted: 02 Oct 12 at 7:35pm
Nope, it's better to do it our way, match the boat to the bodyweight, Big guy= Phantom Big more athletic guy = Blaze, medium guy Laser, lightweight = EPS, it works OK and we enjoy our racing for what it is, a jostle for first over the water and consolation on the spreadsheet if the wind conditions don't entirely suit the Laser, which isn't often on the sea.

Now, I accept inland that may be different, it's not so easy for the faster boats to stretch out to their handicap potential, but you can still play the position over the water game and those old mingers can still hold their own because of that.

Doesn't make it right though, they should still lay down when they're dead.
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well sounds like you've got it sorted then... you've basically got a big box rule for hiking unarig singlehanders and said 'play fair with your weight' e.g. no sprats in Phantoms on drifters and vice versa, and then just race it out, there and then, on the water; letting the law of average conditions even out over a series.  I guess that's a welcome hangover from the windsurf race club influence... choose your weapons, go racing.

You might as well do away with the PY system, unless someone really needs it for self justification.

Sadly you'll never get that sort of antic to happen at many 'normal' clubs running handicap racing- folks are too precious about who's rated at what... I couldn't even get that much buy-in for a concept around a box rule for 700s and MPSs and they've got the same friggin' number.

Ironically it was sailors already fleet racing who thought it had some merit, and that kind of put things in perspective... most people electing to race handicap aren't really that fussed about the racing, it's just a drift around with mates, something vaguely organised and vaguely interesting.  Or maybe it's just a training exercise in between the more serious activity of circuit sailing.  

The current 'joke' at our club is that the handicap fleet have insisted the PRO start taking times for everyone, even though in the fleet boats it's totally pointless.  They then adjusted them on the spreadsheet for the various different fleet start times and then bundled it into an unofficial series.   So we've got folks racing others in different fleets that they're neither signed on to race against, nor started alongside, nevermind the anomaly a little bit of proper fleet racing (luffing, covering etc) that might throw into the mix ... then and this is no joke, AIUI, they've submitting the data back to the RYA like it's got some genuine credibility... the ultimate irony of PY racing, collecting the data by stealth from fleet sailors who care little for it... I guess at least there's no pretence that there's really a race going on when the 'competitors' don't even know they are 'racing' each other.

Oh well- each to his own n' all that.  


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Well we didn't actually design it that way it just came about, at the end of the day there is a heavy ex windsurf racers presence and the whole handicap system is always regarded as a bit of a joke, they're currently running some personal handicap series that I haven't a clue how they work it, suffice to say I get beaten when someone finishes whilst I'm in the shower, banter then ensues and we all go home laughing about it, ask me where I'd rather be, in the shower or winning but still on the water in my solo/streaker..
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

more athletic guy =  blasé

....that's hilarious!!!!


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Seasick,
If you do look to buy a FRP solo, you will be looking at a Winder around the £4k mark.  The other builder Boon (Ovington) are a little newer and as such slightly more money.  I have not saile a Steve Parker built Solo, but there are few around so i would stick with whats known and buy a Winder.  The build quality is super and even a 10 year old boat will get you mixing it with the top of the fleet at club level.  Most important thing with a Solo is making sure you are using the correct rig for your weight.  The current fashion is to use the Selden D+  which suits sailors up-to about 90kg.  But for me, even at that weight i found it too soft and soon switched back to a Selden Cumulus which is a much stiffer mast and as such gave me more power, which was even more important when sailing in land.  I would also look to buy a boat with either a North or HD sail and keep clear of the rest.  That just my preference though.

If you do ask for advice on the Solo forum about hull and rig preferences you will get shot down fairly quickly as they have some bizarre class rule that's stops members selling the virtues of particular kit.

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Originally posted by Xpletive

Originally posted by G.R.F.

more athletic guy =  blasé

....that's hilarious!!!!



Nope, I don't get that one, you'll have to explain.. 


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Originally posted by Ruscoe

But for me, even at that weight i found it too soft and soon switched back to a Selden Cumulus which is a much stiffer mast and as such gave me more power, 

well there you go... this forum to the rescue, I'd ordered a D+ as initially advised as a good all rounder for my weight (95kg) (I'd assumed the cumulus section was an old softie TBH) and after seeing Russ's post above have made the enquiries, got the advice from builder, sailmaker and some local sages, and have changed my order to the Cumulus section as I'll be predominantly inland and light winds only.

Cheers Russ (& Y&Y forum community)
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Thought i told you that before Jimbo.  Cumulus is a very stiff section, my favourite rig combo for the Solo was a Cumulus with a North SM8 (which is a Jim hunt devloped sail)  North no longer make this sail, but i was lucky enough to find a near new laminate version with my last boat.  I was pretty quick up wind with it and it helped me keep up on the reach legs.  Downwind my weight was a problem whatever rig, so i just had to make sure i sailed the righ way up the beat or i would be punished downwind by the lighter guys.
 
James good call changing order to Cumulus mate, its not as fashionable as the D+ is now, but for me (and you at your weight) its the correct mast choice.  I think you would loose out as its slightly bendier IIRC in terms of sideways bend.

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Originally posted by Ruscoe

 its not as fashionable as the D+ is now, 

let's be blunt before Grumpf does it for us, 'fashionable' is an ambiguous term.  I think you mean 'popular'. 

It's a Solo and will never be fashionable, even if it seems popular enough to encourage 120 people to its Nationals and has more singlehanded "proper" fleets around the country than nigh on anything else, almost irrespective of the location- river, tidal estuary, sea and ponds great and small... but it will never be fashionable, nor will it be cool; not on this forum anyway  LOL

But thanks for the tip off, and what you've said above has been well supported by other folks too.


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Regarding mast and sail combos, what would you recommend for inland sailing for me at 78kg,

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