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JimC 
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 Topic: RS200 or ...?Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 11:44am |
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The Albacore is a one design too. [wipes OT treatise on one design]
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 1:02pm |
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Read Rule 1.1 of the class rules, Jim.
It's not a common designation now, but Hornet and Nat 18 are other Restricted classes. I read it as "liberal one-design", which is possibly the best of all worlds, allowing the freedom to bimble without needing to upgrade your hull and expensive bits as in a development class.
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SoggyBadger
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 2:50pm |
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The meaning of the terms development class, restricted class and one-design class have been well known for generations. Jack Holt and Ian Proctor knew how to use the terms correctly. Anyone who tries to pervert the meaning of these terms must have an inflated opinion of himself since he clearly holds himself more knowledgeable than two of the greatest dinghy designers of all time.
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SoggyBadger
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 3:07pm |
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BTW, I don't know where MM dug up that link for the Albacore rules on the RYA web site but the current rules are here:
http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/technical/Web%20Documents/Class%20Rules/Albacore%20CR%202012.pdf Can't see any claim to it being a restricted class. |
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craiggo
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 5:41pm |
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Soggy, I think the definitions are a bit greyer than you imagine.
The rules for most multiple builder classes have tolerance bands to allow potential home build. Accurate production techniques such as CNC machined plugs and moulds now mean that builders can really exploit the tolerances therefore producing boats that are subtly different to previous boats but still in class. This applies to Albacores and Fireballs with Woof pushing the Albacores in one way, and winders in the Firballs. So in a sense they are restricted and not fully one design. |
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 5:46pm |
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I thought N12s and Merlins were Restricted, with 14s, Moths etc development classes. Albs, Ents, FB's etc are one designs, albeit not of the single manufacture variety.
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SoggyBadger
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I've been racing dinghies for over 40 years. I'm well aware of building tolerances and how professional boat builders have been using them for decades. The amount of extra accuracy to be gained by CNC over what a skilled boat builder can achieve is going to be a couple of millimetres at best, which is trivial. The real advantage of CNC is in labour, and hence cost, saving.
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JimC
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 7:22pm |
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ben_a
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Posted: 24 Sep 12 at 8:38pm |
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Thanks for everybodies input. Based on a couple of test sails it looks like I am heading for a National 12 (more fun than the 200 in spite of the lack of kite).
Just need to decide on the design. Likely to be a Foolish or a Big Issue. Ben |
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G.R.F.
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Don't do it, go with the 200, the first thought is always the best, you've stumbled into a world of crazed old dodderers determined to cling on to yesterday.
The chances of you getting one of those N12 things that is remotely on the pace with all the others is between slim and none, with the 200 you get what everyone else gets, it's a neat little boat with lots of fellows sailors and a good social scene. It performs really well across a wide range, doesn't stick in a drifter has plenty of volume so is equally OK on fresh or salt water and is relatively maintenance free, but, if you have issues is backed by great spares and service online if necessary. As to the ludicrous suggestion that using a clumsy antediluvian old school spinnaker and pole requires anything more than charisma removal at best or a frontal lobotomy at worse, that comes from someone who has no idea of downwind assym tactics, something that is fun to learn, and the 200 can go pretty deep in any event. Albacore? Osprey? Fireball come on, they should be in a Museum, the only other suggestion here that makes any sense is the V3000, but, it can be a bit sticky on fresh or flat water in light air, if I were you I'd go 200 and trust your original judgement and pay no mind to ageing sandal wearing pipe smoking boat dodderers on internet forums. They're generally back in their beds all trussed up and medicated by 9.30..
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