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    Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 7:22pm
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Originally posted by craiggo

Soggy, I think the definitions are a bit greyer than you imagine.

The rules for most multiple builder classes have tolerance bands to allow potential home build. Accurate production techniques such as CNC machined plugs and moulds now mean that builders can really exploit the tolerances therefore producing boats that are subtly different to previous boats but still in class. This applies to Albacores and Fireballs with Woof pushing the Albacores in one way, and winders in the Firballs.


I've been racing dinghies for over 40 years. I'm well aware of building tolerances and how professional boat builders have been using them for decades. The amount of extra accuracy to be gained by CNC over what a skilled boat builder can achieve is going to be a couple of millimetres at best, which is trivial. The real advantage of CNC is in labour, and hence cost, saving.

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So in a sense they are restricted and not fully one design.


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I thought N12s and Merlins were Restricted, with 14s, Moths etc development classes. Albs, Ents, FB's etc are one designs, albeit not of the single manufacture variety.
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Soggy, I think the definitions are a bit greyer than you imagine.

The rules for most multiple builder classes have tolerance bands to allow potential home build. Accurate production techniques such as CNC machined plugs and moulds now mean that builders can really exploit the tolerances therefore producing boats that are subtly different to previous boats but still in class. This applies to Albacores and Fireballs with Woof pushing the Albacores in one way, and winders in the Firballs.

So in a sense they are restricted and not fully one design.

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BTW, I don't know where MM dug up that link for the Albacore rules on the RYA web site but the current rules are here:

http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/technical/Web%20Documents/Class%20Rules/Albacore%20CR%202012.pdf

Can't see any claim to it being a restricted class.


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The meaning of the terms development class, restricted class and one-design class have been well known for generations. Jack Holt and Ian Proctor knew how to use the terms correctly. Anyone who tries to pervert the meaning of these terms must have an inflated opinion of himself since he clearly holds himself more knowledgeable than two of the greatest dinghy designers of all time.
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Read Rule 1.1 of the class rules, Jim.

It's not a common designation now, but Hornet and Nat 18 are other Restricted classes.  I read it as "liberal one-design", which is possibly the best of all worlds, allowing the freedom to bimble without needing to upgrade your hull and expensive bits as in a development class.
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The Albacore is a one design too. [wipes OT treatise on one design]
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 12:09am
Originally posted by JimC

 Funny, I thought it always was a one design. I certainly never heard of anyone other than Peter Milne getting the designer's royalty.

You're quite right, Fireball has always been known as a 'one design' class; I thought it was 'restricted' (like the Albacore) - certainly in the past there was a great variety of builders, masts, sheeting systems and fittings.

But as a charitable reader might have assumed, I meant 'single manufacturer one-design', though the odd wooden boat or Delange has been seen at opens in recent years.
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There's a couple at Chew, but not often out at he same time. Might be more often over the winter though.
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