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    Posted: 07 Aug 12 at 3:49pm
Nah - that's not how it works in club racing, in junior champs, national champs or anywhere.  The medal race is ultimately sh*te because it's contrived bolleaux that was meant to make thing easier to understand, but accidentally promoted defensive match racing.  Scrap it and if you must, have a non-discardable finals race.  Anything else is just meddling (lets make the dressage event more exciting, by buring a number of anti-personnel mines slightly off-line - miss your mark and there's dog food everywhere!). 
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

can't see it working at the Topper, Laser, 420, RS400, Oppie etc  National Champs, so why change the accepted format for sailing Champs for the sake of what?  TV rating? 
 
Not for me thanks..... may as way change football to 4 quarters of 25 mins, just to fit in with the TV advert breaks.
 
 
A proper champion is the one that comes out to in a variety of conditions, over a champ series. No need to change this.  If you're going to mess with sailing just for the olympics, why not have Reaching Races? Far more spectacular and fast?


they do change football though. they turn it from a league, to knock outs..... to make it more exciting.

Its not about changing the format the format is the same. you sail, you race and you win. if you don't win in the "MEDAL RACE" you don't win a medal! This is for the Olympic medal. this is meant to be high pressure. By averaging out and giving the chance to bank points for the final you are removing the pressure and the need to actually aim for that podium finish. if Percy sailed his own race and aimed for the podium he would have got it.
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Originally posted by fudheid

 
To see percy and simpson sail the last leg on the port side when the fleet went right* was madness. They had the best speed they just made the wrong tactical decision in the medal race instead of relying on their skill and boatspeed.

That simply illustrates my point: that even the best cannot predict the wind correctly every time.  Percy & Simpson had proved over the course of the week (to my satisfaction, at least) that they were on balance the fastest sailors, yet in a single race, things can go wrong.

Think the swedes predicted it ok and the kiwis???http://www.sailing.org/olympics/london2012/results_centre.php  the only boats that went backwards were the ones racing each other and not the wind!
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

can't see it working at the Topper, Laser, 420, RS400, Oppie etc  National Champs, so why change the accepted format for sailing Champs for the sake of what?  TV rating? 
 
Not for me thanks..... may as way change football to 4 quarters of 25 mins, just to fit in with the TV advert breaks.
 
 
A proper champion is the one that comes out to in a variety of conditions, over a champ series. No need to change this.  If you're going to mess with sailing just for the olympics, why not have Reaching Races? Far more spectacular and fast?

the point is you still have qualifiers to get the 10 nfastest / best sailors - then they race in a winner takes all final race i dunno lets call ....
the MEDAL RACE. where the quickest sailor wins. everybody will understand that the boat that finishes first wins.
The boat that takes flyers will already have been dropped in the qualifying regatta.
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Its that media friendliness and commerce that keeps funding pushed into the sport. Unfortunately its something you've just got to deal with.

I've just got to deal with?  Just what does that funding do for me or the sport?  

Does anyone enjoy doing it more because of the funding than Elvstrom and Co. did years ago?  I very much doubt it.   More likely if anything they just feel more pressure.  OK, the funding makes it all seem 'bigger' and more show-biz, but what does that have to do with the participants enjoying their sport?   Money invariably corrupts anything it's connected with.
 
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Originally posted by gbrspratt

If your not right when it counts then do you deserve to win? no. If you get it wrong and someone gets the better of you then they surely deserve to win? its a race, someone has to win whether you think its fluky or not (its the same for everyone on the water). You can still have a regatta style build up, then the top ten go for a balls out winner takes all. At least then we would see our sailors trying to win by actually coming first.

You don't need the build-up regatta then, just a single race. Would get it over with quickly I suppose.

That would allow time to get a few more events in - perhaps even a medley relay!
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

 
A proper champion is the one that comes out to in a variety of conditions, over a champ series. No need to change this.  If you're going to mess with sailing just for the olympics, why not have Reaching Races? Far more spectacular and fast?

Too right - but don't give them ideas!


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can't see it working at the Topper, Laser, 420, RS400, Oppie etc  National Champs, so why change the accepted format for sailing Champs for the sake of what?  TV rating? 
 
Not for me thanks..... may as way change football to 4 quarters of 25 mins, just to fit in with the TV advert breaks.
 
 
A proper champion is the one that comes out to in a variety of conditions, over a champ series. No need to change this.  If you're going to mess with sailing just for the olympics, why not have Reaching Races? Far more spectacular and fast?
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So what about a no discard series, that would be interesting. With the proviso that if someone breaks something and cannot finish the race then the race is abondoned and re-started. Similar to the way the rower who broke his seat got a restart.
 
I doubty there were many breakages this year resulting in a DNF so this should not be too much of an issue.
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Originally posted by fudheid

 
To see percy and simpson sail the last leg on the port side when the fleet went right* was madness. They had the best speed they just made the wrong tactical decision in the medal race instead of relying on their skill and boatspeed.

That simply illustrates my point: that even the best cannot predict the wind correctly every time.  Percy & Simpson had proved over the course of the week (to my satisfaction, at least) that they were on balance the fastest sailors, yet in a single race, things can go wrong.
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