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    Posted: 24 Jun 12 at 9:58pm
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 Today I was sailing my laser in what was very gusty conditions. I am just moving out of a topper and I was using the 4.7 rig. I got two firsts in club racing and a second but in the third race the wind increased and was very strong. After all the lasers taking swims at some point during the day I had my second ever capsize in a laser. It was a spectacular capsize in a gybe. To cut a long story short I was wandering if there are any tips for gybing laser in a blow such as kicker tention and centerboard position. 

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Centreboard up a bit but not so much that the boom hits it, I like kicker on hard, this does mean that there is more liklihood of the boom hitting the water but it means there is more power in the sail which can help prevnt it coming in to windward afterwards.
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Let kicker off before in order to spill wind, board up a bit and get straight out hiking, and not forgetting a lot of luck ;)
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The one thing that changed my laser gybing for full on reach to reach gybes was a tip from the rooster video to let the main out whilst still sitting out. This gives the boat weather heel which initiates the bear away without using the rudder. Its sounds scary and needs a bit of practice but it really works as most others end up with lee heel going into the gybe which kills your speed and gives you lots of problems when the boom finally comes over. Try it next time its windy (but don't bail out halfway through when the bear away kicks in!)
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I wouldn't imagine that the technique is much different from a centre sheeted topper - obviously with two first places your not far off the mark already.
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Gybe while planing if you can as it de-loads the rig and makes it a lot safer. Use about half kicker as it stops the boom hitting the water on the exit of the gybe which tip you in. Use max half board perhaps a little less.

If you are worried about the windiness and it's a beam to beam or tighter Gybe pull the main in a bit Gybe and as you come out the other side let's the main out again which will De power get yourself set and pull in again. If it's a run head up and do the same. These techniques are safety first and will just let you survive until you feel confident enough to give it a go with the rooster technique.

One thing not to do is flick the main as this quite often ends up with the main wrapped around the end of the boom which is very difficult to get out of.

It's much better to roll the boat as this keeps the mainsheet out if the water stopping it dragging behind the Hull and then getting caught on the transom. Also by sheeting in a bit will also stop the main dragging.

I expect you already knew that but I thought I would mention it just in case you didn't.
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I would like to suggest an alternative method of gybing that may seem unusual at first.
First I would ask how people capsize when gybing.  My answer is that you tend to capsize to windward before the gybe and capsize to leeward after the gybe.  My solution is to move across earlier so that you are "sitting" on the same side as the boom immediately before the gybe.
I would suggest that when you set yourself up for gybing your weight is totally on your feet in the middle of the cockpit and not on your backside - therefore you can be facing with your back to the boom and your backside resting on the "new" sidedeck. Since you have already moved you just duck for the boom coming across and you are already in the correct position for sitting out on the new gybe.
Only for heavier weather!

As a party piece to practise, sit out on the same side as the boom while running by the lee.  The thing to remember here is that if things feel like going out of control you MUST gybe and not attempt to luff up.  As the boom is so far forward it takes ages to come across and there should be no chance of capsizing.

I would always tend to keep the centreboard fairly far down as I felt it gave better steering control.

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Steer back into the gybe! As soon as the boom starts to come over your head steer back as if you didn't want to but carry on pulling the boom onto the new side. 
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Thanks for the responses I will give them all a go and hope that I stay upright 

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Originally posted by Neptune

I wouldn't imagine that the technique is much different from a centre sheeted topper - obviously with two first places your not far off the mark already.



except it;s a lot easier to stall out the  small rudder on a laser ...  hence the comments about  initialitiong the manouvere  with trim rather than the rudder  ...   you could argue that a topper is over ruddered ... 
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