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    Posted: 21 Jun 12 at 2:01pm
but what the hell would you do with a Vortex rig Andy?????  
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And I have access to a skip  Wink
 
30grit carbide jigsaw blades do the job nicely I find.

I also had the same thought that maybe I could make three boats out of it.

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well the obvious answer is Grumpf to team up with Ovingtons... angle grind the v-twin lengthways and then fuse each half to the racks of the Aura.  

You'd have a very weird, but stable trimaran that would be perfect for him.
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Exactly what the whole forum had in mind but you may also need an angle grinder Andy!!!!
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So GRUMPF, can we hammer in the last nail on the lid of this one, or do you have any more "non sequitur" to lighten our lives and add humour to our cold, dark Winter evenings in our fur lined slippers, hugging our hot chocolate close to the range, our klinker built lovingly varnished leadmines languishing in their freezing boat parks and garages? Or do you have another project? Big smile Nuke Evil Smile 
Pass the skiff, man!
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As to PM's post, the beauty of what we do, is diversity, wether it be howling down ocean waves on a three sail reach or, as I've just re-discovered, the joy of fast action close quarter confined water racing and there need to be different tools for each craft, that much I have to now concede.

The V-Twin is a sea monster, it is a different style of enjoyment and feeling a bit safer and secure(er) on our water doesn't do any harm, it's a very challenging bit of coastline you come to realise once you sail elsewhere, not surprising there aint many of us, however it does need to be more manageable. I launched and recovered the EPS alone yesterday, you couldn't possibly consider doing that most of the time at Hythe and certainly not the V-Twin it is too big and too heavy something needs to be done about that, it was a mistake, but then we all make them and the reasons are buried way back in this thread, not least with cost implications.
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Originally posted by I luv Wight

Originally posted by haroosh

I thought Andy only worked on fast boats!!!


Light boats only perhaps... but I have a saw!

LOL Exactly what i had in mind... Wink
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Originally posted by haroosh

I thought Andy only worked on fast boats!!!


Light boats only perhaps... but I have a saw!

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I think we surmise that the point GRF is making is that the world moves on, without or without sailboat technology coming with it.  21st century ideals of leaner, greener, lighter, faster... all common place in progressive technology arenas, but not so prevalent in mainstream dinghy development.  

Now there are lots of easy examples to contradict an assumption that the world of yacht design doesn't move with the times.  Just look at C-Class Cats, Foiling Moths and the asymmetric singlehanders many would have said were 'unsailable' 20 years ago.  There are even examples where the 'establishment' is so forward thinking that we (well some of us) can be super critical... FO big kite race boards that are now in the Olympics from 2016 (totally untested without even an established global race programme) and what about the AC being a multihull event now (shocking behaviour for match race purists, never mind the H&S risk those AC72s are going to present)

But these are all isolated examples of 'progress' which do nothing but make the sport appear elitist, or at the very least 'niche'- Grumpf's criticism focuses on the mainstream lack of progress at club and circuit level.  Baseline amateur sailing for joe and jennie bloggs.... it hasn't moved on, bar some lipstick development to manipulate the grossly flawed PY system most clubs seem intent on offering, but do little to implement properly.  And yes, it arguably lacks appeal to a future generation and it's easy to see why when you buy a 'cool boat' but get penalised by a spreadsheet and rarely get a decent course suitable for 'cool boats'.  

I have some sympathy with his views on this, but then I can't help but bounce back to the very fundamentals of the sport I grew up with.  Dinghy sailing was never considered 'cool' and it will always have its middle-class stereotypes... you can't change the fact that even a modest new boat, like a Laser, is more than a lot of people will spend on a reasonable secondhand car.   

So you come around to a sense of 'f*ck it'... the strength of dinghy sailing is good class racing and as often pointed out by Chris249, in relatively slower, tactical boats.  Ideally this occurs locally and is not 3 hours away on some windguru-jinxed circuit.  And to some extent it really doesn't matter what that boat is as long as you pick the class that loosely fits your biometric and economic profile.  Okay it might not be 'cool',  it might not be inexpensive for young people, it not be that 'attractive' compared to other lifestyle sports... but really people, it never was and is never going to be. 


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Originally posted by johnreekie1980

GRF claims that the electricity is free which interested me greatly as an engineer as I am not aware of any truly free source of electricity available on the planet. Further reading on this matter indicates that the Bonneville Hydro Electric Plant is run by a not for profit organisation called the BPA. The BPA markets the electricity to the market at a price which allows it to break even. So unless all the operators, maintainers and materials providers are working for free then it is highly unlikely the electricity is free. Wikipedia and common sense could be wrong however I doubt it very much. We are also forgetting that the dam was built by the army and therefore the governments expense which would also not be free. Nothing in life is free and GRF would do well to remember this.
 
Credibility is lost when posting wrong facts on the internet.
 
 

Well the dam was built some time ago so the costs will long since have been amortised, this however is largely irrelevant, since as far as the factory is concerned, being a local employer adjacent to the dam their electricity is supplied to them free of charge.

You can be Peter Pedant about the relative merits and cost of Hydro Electricity and the cost of water as much as you wish, but in this case, they are gifted their power as part of a community effort afaik..

There does that explain it better?

Now as far as what is free in life I could give you a list, starting with the air we breath, the conversations we have with one another and the information and entertainment you receive here for example..

There's plenty of stuff free in life if you look.

So yes I agree, credibility is lost when you post wrong facts on the internet.


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