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    Posted: 25 May 12 at 9:23am
Seafly dinghy .... http://www.seaflydinghy.co.uk/sailing.htm
Seafly at the Lord Birkett.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntU9FwuEXd0

So that's where they are now I guess.
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very occasionally a seafly appears on ebay.  I last saw one in a shed in plas menai.  Too many similar boats - kestrel, bosun, wayfarer.
the same, but different...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 12 at 9:16am
I remember doing a Nationals a few years ago at Lancing ( a steep pebbly south coast beach), shared with the Seaflys.  These are ( were?) heavy  plywood boats with a very veed raked bow. ( a bit like the centre bow section of the V2 )  The reccomended way of getting back on shore was to point at the beach, surf in, release the board and rudder tiedowns ( swivelling foils natch ) and just run up the beach, then step out when it's dry.  We didn't ( couldn't ) do it that way Wink
The boats seemed indestructible - but where are they now? ( and cherubs are still going as a class )


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 great man once said "light, strong, cheap pick 2 out of the 3.
BOth the boats i own cost me less than £800 to buy. My MTB cost me next to nothing due to the way i bought it over the years but agian its not the £6k that GRF is on about. In fact most Mountain bikers dont spend any way near that much. Oh and 6in travel is not a downhill bike its a trail bike and the hammersmicdt is not auto change its planetary gears like an alfine rear hub or sturmyacher. (i appoligise for poor spelling).
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too light for the class, each and everyone is different. just because you sail something that can be built ultra light doesn't mean that everything can. try building a 25kg flying Dutchman.

I expect that most things can be built a lot lighter than they currently are but at what cost in terms of money and to the detriment of existing boats.

the principal that I was alluding to was that mountain bikes are heavier than road bikes as they need more strength and it is similar to boats.

oh and you seem to have your caps locks jammed on.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ham4sand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 12 at 11:22pm
Originally posted by maxibuddah

make them too light and while they will be faster for a bit but they won't survive and they will turn into driftwood in a nice wave or two. Not that different really

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Oh and while I'm on the subject of bikes, why aren't mountain bikes as light as road bikes? Strength. Make them that light and they won't survive a cross country ride. This is the same as boats, make them too light and while they will be faster for a bit but they won't survive and they will turn into driftwood in a nice wave or two. Not that different really
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 12 at 10:51pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Bikes: I sell downhill ATB's don't know where you've been, but i ride one with hammershmidt 2 speed auto change front, and uppy downey push button seat post, 6 inch travel front and rear forks adjustment to lock em out for uphill, lights that make night day, hydro formed alloy, carbon bars, heat resistant disc rotors, powered by hydraulic brakes, it goes on.


Whats so special about all of that. You take a basic frame, though admittedly lighter thatn the original but not by that much, and bolt on a whole load of expensive goodies. Bit like sailing, if carbon masts, laminate sails, etc are not doing the same what is?

As for bikes showing the way, hardly progressive. I seem to remember a Scots chap by the name of Obree bolting some washing machine parts to a funky frame and then the UCI having a hissy fit and banning all bikes without a double triangle frame from all competitions. Some development that is.mi would say that in a lot of respect biking is far more restrictive and developmental overall than sailing.

The difference between the two would only appear to be the weight issue. Boats are far more weight critical than bikes and therefore any massive changes to existing will render all the existing boat obsolete, destroying the fleet racing that has built up. As I said in my previous post not really conducive to a successful minority sport.
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sailing for the existing people in most cases is about fleet racing. You need an existing class to do that otherwise there is a risk involved that you have just spent 8-10k and no one else turns up to the party. There will always be people that do that, but not the majority. You have also got to take into account that a lot of existing people actually enjoy sailing what is there for whatever reason. 

New sailors - will you get them into the sport just because there is something new and different, probably not. 

Sailing is a minority sport whether we like it or not. It is also expensive, unless you take the old boat approach. The cost puts a lot of people off. Not sure how getting rid of the old classes will make any difference there, just drive the initial costs up. GRF you may consider it madness but on the whole it works for those that want to take part in it. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 12 at 10:09pm
Bikes: I sell downhill ATB's don't know where you've been, but i ride one with hammershmidt 2 speed auto change front, and uppy downey push button seat post, 6 inch travel front and rear forks adjustment to lock em out for uphill, lights that make night day, hydro formed alloy, carbon bars, heat resistant disc rotors, powered by hydraulic brakes, it goes on.

What dinghy development has there been this century?

I don't know what your talking about re carbon masts other than the futility of making a carbon merlin mast so spindly and charging the educationally sub normal two and a half grand for a new one, which will break almost certainly again and in the same place, you couldn't make it up ffs!

Yes you should burn all solos and streakers and never recommend them to newcomers, but y'all won't so you'll perpetuate the madness.

Light doesn't have to mean carbon, there are other methods, and some quite green stuff - why not Bamboo? It's light, stiff, hey it's even wood as well as highly renewable.

You've just got to realise y'all are all moribund, and wake up and think sideways..

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